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	<title>Comments on: Best-selling novelist Warren Adler sides with Google</title>
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		<title>By: bowerbird</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2005/11/30/best-selling-writer-warren-adler-sides-with-google/comment-page-1/#comment-35539</link>
		<dc:creator>bowerbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 08:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>richard said:
&gt;   It is not the burden of the copyright owner 
&gt;   to opt out of Google’s scheme; 
&gt;   the burned is legally on Google to 
&gt;   obtain permission first. That is 
&gt;   how copyright law works.

are you the judge who is going to decide this case?


&gt;   The phrase “All Rights Reserved” already makes it clear 
&gt;   that the owner’s have “opted out”.

&quot;fair use&quot; is a right that google has every &quot;right&quot; to &quot;reserve&quot; too.
so, i ask you again, are you the judge who is going to decide this case?


&gt;   There is absolutely no intellectual dishonesty in what I’m saying here.

well, maybe you just have a knack for thinking you&#039;re smarter than us.

-bowerbird</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>richard said:<br />
&gt;   It is not the burden of the copyright owner<br />
&gt;   to opt out of Google’s scheme;<br />
&gt;   the burned is legally on Google to<br />
&gt;   obtain permission first. That is<br />
&gt;   how copyright law works.</p>
<p>are you the judge who is going to decide this case?</p>
<p>&gt;   The phrase “All Rights Reserved” already makes it clear<br />
&gt;   that the owner’s have “opted out”.</p>
<p>&#8220;fair use&#8221; is a right that google has every &#8220;right&#8221; to &#8220;reserve&#8221; too.<br />
so, i ask you again, are you the judge who is going to decide this case?</p>
<p>&gt;   There is absolutely no intellectual dishonesty in what I’m saying here.</p>
<p>well, maybe you just have a knack for thinking you&#8217;re smarter than us.</p>
<p>-bowerbird</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2005/11/30/best-selling-writer-warren-adler-sides-with-google/comment-page-1/#comment-35467</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 22:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not spinning anything here.

It is not the burden of the copyright owner to opt out of Google&#039;s scheme; the burned is legally on Google to obtain permission first. That is how copyright law works.

Google didn&#039;t provide the opt out notice until copyright owner&#039;s raised a stink. It is not a sufficient legal answer. The phrase &quot;All Rights Reserved&quot; already makes it clear that the owner&#039;s have &quot;opted out&quot;.

There is absolutely no intellectual dishonesty in what I&#039;m saying here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not spinning anything here.</p>
<p>It is not the burden of the copyright owner to opt out of Google&#8217;s scheme; the burned is legally on Google to obtain permission first. That is how copyright law works.</p>
<p>Google didn&#8217;t provide the opt out notice until copyright owner&#8217;s raised a stink. It is not a sufficient legal answer. The phrase &#8220;All Rights Reserved&#8221; already makes it clear that the owner&#8217;s have &#8220;opted out&#8221;.</p>
<p>There is absolutely no intellectual dishonesty in what I&#8217;m saying here.</p>
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		<title>By: bowerbird</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2005/11/30/best-selling-writer-warren-adler-sides-with-google/comment-page-1/#comment-35336</link>
		<dc:creator>bowerbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>richard said:
&gt;   It is the fact that Google
&gt;   is unilaterally making that decision 
&gt;   for other writers that is the problem.

it&#039;s intellectually dishonest to say google
&quot;is unilaterally making that decision&quot;
if you don&#039;t immediately add that google
is explictly letting copyright owners &quot;opt out&quot;.

given that additional _fact_, it seems to me
that it is actually the copyright owners who
have total and complete power on the decision,
which -- of course -- is the _exact_opposite_
of the story you were trying to &quot;spin&quot; here...

-bowerbird</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>richard said:<br />
&gt;   It is the fact that Google<br />
&gt;   is unilaterally making that decision<br />
&gt;   for other writers that is the problem.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s intellectually dishonest to say google<br />
&#8220;is unilaterally making that decision&#8221;<br />
if you don&#8217;t immediately add that google<br />
is explictly letting copyright owners &#8220;opt out&#8221;.</p>
<p>given that additional _fact_, it seems to me<br />
that it is actually the copyright owners who<br />
have total and complete power on the decision,<br />
which &#8212; of course &#8212; is the _exact_opposite_<br />
of the story you were trying to &#8220;spin&#8221; here&#8230;</p>
<p>-bowerbird</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2005/11/30/best-selling-writer-warren-adler-sides-with-google/comment-page-1/#comment-35322</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Adler is perfectly within his rights to allow his own material to go into the Google project. It is the fact that Google is unilaterally making that decision for other writers that is the problem.

I strongly disagree that libraries should pay authors for loaning books; the library has to cover their costs, and this &quot;pay-per-view&quot; creates a variable cost that is difficult for under-funded libraries to budget for. Libraries exist for free access to its materials to benefit society as a whole. Turn libraries into rental stores and we seriously undermine their benefit, especially to the nation&#039;s poorest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Adler is perfectly within his rights to allow his own material to go into the Google project. It is the fact that Google is unilaterally making that decision for other writers that is the problem.</p>
<p>I strongly disagree that libraries should pay authors for loaning books; the library has to cover their costs, and this &#8220;pay-per-view&#8221; creates a variable cost that is difficult for under-funded libraries to budget for. Libraries exist for free access to its materials to benefit society as a whole. Turn libraries into rental stores and we seriously undermine their benefit, especially to the nation&#8217;s poorest.</p>
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		<title>By: bowerbird</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2005/11/30/best-selling-writer-warren-adler-sides-with-google/comment-page-1/#comment-35228</link>
		<dc:creator>bowerbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 02:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i say a penny per download to the creator.
two cents total charged to the downloader,
with the second penny supporting the system.

up to 10 million downloads, anyway: $100,000.
at the point, the content merges into the culture,
so fame, rather than money, accrues from then on.

or you can write another, new book for your readers...

-bowerbird</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i say a penny per download to the creator.<br />
two cents total charged to the downloader,<br />
with the second penny supporting the system.</p>
<p>up to 10 million downloads, anyway: $100,000.<br />
at the point, the content merges into the culture,<br />
so fame, rather than money, accrues from then on.</p>
<p>or you can write another, new book for your readers&#8230;</p>
<p>-bowerbird</p>
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