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		<title>By: Richard Hartman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2008/08/14/open-letter-to-random-house/comment-page-1/#comment-979604</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should be rewritten as a petition and put up on PetitionOnline.org so many people could sign it.</description>
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		<title>By: E-book sales rocket up at Random House, Penguin, S&#38;S and elsewhere &#124; TeleRead: Bring the E-Books Home</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2008/08/14/open-letter-to-random-house/comment-page-1/#comment-889246</link>
		<dc:creator>E-book sales rocket up at Random House, Penguin, S&#38;S and elsewhere &#124; TeleRead: Bring the E-Books Home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] will Kindle, Sony Reader help change the game and affect p-book market?, Chris Meadows&#8217;s Open Letter to Random House Technorati Tags: Random House,S&amp;S,Penguin,IDPF,International Digital Publishing Forum   Digg [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] will Kindle, Sony Reader help change the game and affect p-book market?, Chris Meadows&#8217;s Open Letter to Random House Technorati Tags: Random House,S&amp;S,Penguin,IDPF,International Digital Publishing Forum   Digg [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2008/08/14/open-letter-to-random-house/comment-page-1/#comment-880850</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I know it was a bit weak (although stronger when I thought you were saying there was no reader for Linux, DRM or otherwise). My point was that anyone could come along and make a Reader for Linux (or add DRM support to the current reader) and suddenly your file would work there - through no action of the publisher.

Neither Peter Jackson nor New Line makes the hardware or software for DVD playback, why complain to them if your Lord of the Rings DVD&#039;s don&#039;t play in your Wii? (Although apparently you can now download a hack/patch that will let them play).

I think your other arguments against DRM are enough, even if there was only a single app and a single device in all the world that supported e-book files.

May I also say, I&#039;m generally against DRM. I also work for a large educational publisher. My higher ups have asked if we can DRM the e-book products we sell on CD and DVD a few times. Each time I tell them the cost in time and money balanced against the hassle for customers, and the little good it&#039;s likely to do, means DRM is just not worth it. So far they have listened to me. We just include a license instead. I don&#039;t have much influence on the trade side though unfortunately. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I know it was a bit weak (although stronger when I thought you were saying there was no reader for Linux, DRM or otherwise). My point was that anyone could come along and make a Reader for Linux (or add DRM support to the current reader) and suddenly your file would work there &#8211; through no action of the publisher.</p>
<p>Neither Peter Jackson nor New Line makes the hardware or software for DVD playback, why complain to them if your Lord of the Rings DVD&#8217;s don&#8217;t play in your Wii? (Although apparently you can now download a hack/patch that will let them play).</p>
<p>I think your other arguments against DRM are enough, even if there was only a single app and a single device in all the world that supported e-book files.</p>
<p>May I also say, I&#8217;m generally against DRM. I also work for a large educational publisher. My higher ups have asked if we can DRM the e-book products we sell on CD and DVD a few times. Each time I tell them the cost in time and money balanced against the hassle for customers, and the little good it&#8217;s likely to do, means DRM is just not worth it. So far they have listened to me. We just include a license instead. I don&#8217;t have much influence on the trade side though unfortunately. <img src='http://www.teleread.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Meadows</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2008/08/14/open-letter-to-random-house/comment-page-1/#comment-880021</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sent! I copied the current version into Word, removed the hyperlinks, printed it, and sent it on its way. I expect it to reach New York in a few days. I included the URL to this posting as a &quot;Cc:&quot; at the bottom of the letter.

I wonder if I will get a response, and if so whether it will be a form letter. I certainly don&#039;t expect any kind of a sea change in the publishing industry, but still, it&#039;s nice to send in an actual printed letter that they can hold in their hands. 

It&#039;s kind of ironic that even in this era of the ebook and lightning-fast email, letters printed on paper and signed with a pen can still have a greater psychological impact.

Here&#039;s some homework for you, Telereaders! Find a publisher whose ebooks are DRM&#039;d and &lt;i&gt;write a snail letter&lt;/i&gt; to them explaining how their use of DRM either turns you away from purchasing their books, or else makes you dissatisfied with the user experience. 

(And by &quot;publisher&quot; I do &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; mean Fictionwise or eReader—they are happy to leave DRM off if the print publisher does not specifically request it to be added. I mean the print publishers who submit their work through them.)

It may not change much, but it will make you feel better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sent! I copied the current version into Word, removed the hyperlinks, printed it, and sent it on its way. I expect it to reach New York in a few days. I included the URL to this posting as a &#8220;Cc:&#8221; at the bottom of the letter.</p>
<p>I wonder if I will get a response, and if so whether it will be a form letter. I certainly don&#8217;t expect any kind of a sea change in the publishing industry, but still, it&#8217;s nice to send in an actual printed letter that they can hold in their hands. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of ironic that even in this era of the ebook and lightning-fast email, letters printed on paper and signed with a pen can still have a greater psychological impact.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some homework for you, Telereaders! Find a publisher whose ebooks are DRM&#8217;d and <i>write a snail letter</i> to them explaining how their use of DRM either turns you away from purchasing their books, or else makes you dissatisfied with the user experience. </p>
<p>(And by &#8220;publisher&#8221; I do <i>not</i> mean Fictionwise or eReader—they are happy to leave DRM off if the print publisher does not specifically request it to be added. I mean the print publishers who submit their work through them.)</p>
<p>It may not change much, but it will make you feel better.</p>
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		<title>By: Alphabet Soup 19-Aug-08 &#171; Electric Alphabet</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2008/08/14/open-letter-to-random-house/comment-page-1/#comment-879967</link>
		<dc:creator>Alphabet Soup 19-Aug-08 &#171; Electric Alphabet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An Open Letter to Random House Publishers take note: this is why DRM makes customers unhappy. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Meadows</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2008/08/14/open-letter-to-random-house/comment-page-1/#comment-876874</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Robin:&lt;/b&gt; That&#039;s not a good analogy. Even a &lt;i&gt;non-DRM-protected DVD&lt;/i&gt; won&#039;t play in a CD player. They&#039;re not compatible formats.

However, there is a Mobipocket-compatible ebook reader available for Linux. It&#039;s called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fbreader.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FBReader&lt;/a&gt;, and it reads unencrypted Mobipocket books just fine. Whereas an unencrypted DVD would not play in a CD player, an unencrypted Mobipocket book will open just fine in FBReader. It is only the encryption that keeps me from using it. (Though, come to think of it, I did not make that clear in the letter when I wrote it. I will amend it to do so.)

If you want to talk about DVDs, it&#039;s more like complaining that your DRM-protected DVDs won&#039;t play on Linux, due to the lack of availability of DVD decryption on Linux. Due to the licensing restrictions on DVD&#039;s CSS encryption, an open source &lt;i&gt;decrypting&lt;/i&gt; DVD player couldn&#039;t be created until hackers broke CSS encryption with &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DeCSS&lt;/a&gt;, which in turn led to the creation of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;libdvdcss&lt;/a&gt; library. 

Here&#039;s where things get weird. According to the Wikipedia entry linked above, libdvdcss is &lt;i&gt;possibly&lt;/i&gt; legal (or at least it has not yet been litigated) because of the DMCA&#039;s interoperability provision—it&#039;s okay to crack encryption for the purpose of making one computer program interoperate with another. So I can watch DVDs on my Linux box with no problem, because the decryption is done automatically.

But oddly enough, it&#039;s apparently not kosher for me to do the same with ebooks because I would be decrypting them manually and copying the files over—it wouldn&#039;t be software &quot;interoperating.&quot; (Though I&#039;m not a lawyer and that interpretation could be completely off-base.) 

(Hmm. I wonder if a &quot;libmobidedrm&quot; were made and put into FBReader, if it would be legal under the same principle? Maybe I&#039;ll start a discussion about that on the ebook mailing list.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Robin:</b> That&#8217;s not a good analogy. Even a <i>non-DRM-protected DVD</i> won&#8217;t play in a CD player. They&#8217;re not compatible formats.</p>
<p>However, there is a Mobipocket-compatible ebook reader available for Linux. It&#8217;s called <a href="http://www.fbreader.org/" rel="nofollow">FBReader</a>, and it reads unencrypted Mobipocket books just fine. Whereas an unencrypted DVD would not play in a CD player, an unencrypted Mobipocket book will open just fine in FBReader. It is only the encryption that keeps me from using it. (Though, come to think of it, I did not make that clear in the letter when I wrote it. I will amend it to do so.)</p>
<p>If you want to talk about DVDs, it&#8217;s more like complaining that your DRM-protected DVDs won&#8217;t play on Linux, due to the lack of availability of DVD decryption on Linux. Due to the licensing restrictions on DVD&#8217;s CSS encryption, an open source <i>decrypting</i> DVD player couldn&#8217;t be created until hackers broke CSS encryption with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS" rel="nofollow">DeCSS</a>, which in turn led to the creation of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss" rel="nofollow">libdvdcss</a> library. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s where things get weird. According to the Wikipedia entry linked above, libdvdcss is <i>possibly</i> legal (or at least it has not yet been litigated) because of the DMCA&#8217;s interoperability provision—it&#8217;s okay to crack encryption for the purpose of making one computer program interoperate with another. So I can watch DVDs on my Linux box with no problem, because the decryption is done automatically.</p>
<p>But oddly enough, it&#8217;s apparently not kosher for me to do the same with ebooks because I would be decrypting them manually and copying the files over—it wouldn&#8217;t be software &#8220;interoperating.&#8221; (Though I&#8217;m not a lawyer and that interpretation could be completely off-base.) </p>
<p>(Hmm. I wonder if a &#8220;libmobidedrm&#8221; were made and put into FBReader, if it would be legal under the same principle? Maybe I&#8217;ll start a discussion about that on the ebook mailing list.)</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2008/08/14/open-letter-to-random-house/comment-page-1/#comment-876858</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that it&#039;s not DRM preventing you from &quot;shifting&quot; it&#039;s lack of player support. That&#039;s like complaining that your DRM protected DVD&#039;s won&#039;t play in a CD player.

Asking the MobiPocket people to support more platforms may be a better way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that it&#8217;s not DRM preventing you from &#8220;shifting&#8221; it&#8217;s lack of player support. That&#8217;s like complaining that your DRM protected DVD&#8217;s won&#8217;t play in a CD player.</p>
<p>Asking the MobiPocket people to support more platforms may be a better way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Cane</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2008/08/14/open-letter-to-random-house/comment-page-1/#comment-876784</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Cane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;a ranting letter

You are a timid fellow.  Please, *never* come to my blog.  I have brought &quot;rant&quot; to a whole new level.  I&#039;d make your skin peel off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;a ranting letter</p>
<p>You are a timid fellow.  Please, *never* come to my blog.  I have brought &#8220;rant&#8221; to a whole new level.  I&#8217;d make your skin peel off.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Meadows</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2008/08/14/open-letter-to-random-house/comment-page-1/#comment-876704</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Steve:&lt;/b&gt; The decision in &lt;i&gt;RIAA vs. Diamond Multimedia&lt;/i&gt; established that &quot;to render portable, or &#039;space-shift,&#039; those files that already reside on a user&#039;s hard drive&quot; was a fair use permissible under the law, just as &lt;i&gt;Sony vs. Universal Studios&lt;/i&gt; held that consumers are allowed to &quot;time-shift&quot; TV shows with a VCR (and subsequently TiVo). Technically that may not be a right but a defense, but either way it is something that the courts have said consumers are legally allowed to do—or at least would be if the DMCA didn&#039;t trump it. (Though IANAL and all that.)

&lt;b&gt;Wiebe:&lt;/b&gt; ebookbase may have those restrictions, but Fictionwise sells many titles in &quot;multiformat,&quot; including unrestricted Mobipocket. So does Baen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Steve:</b> The decision in <i>RIAA vs. Diamond Multimedia</i> established that &#8220;to render portable, or &#8217;space-shift,&#8217; those files that already reside on a user&#8217;s hard drive&#8221; was a fair use permissible under the law, just as <i>Sony vs. Universal Studios</i> held that consumers are allowed to &#8220;time-shift&#8221; TV shows with a VCR (and subsequently TiVo). Technically that may not be a right but a defense, but either way it is something that the courts have said consumers are legally allowed to do—or at least would be if the DMCA didn&#8217;t trump it. (Though IANAL and all that.)</p>
<p><b>Wiebe:</b> ebookbase may have those restrictions, but Fictionwise sells many titles in &#8220;multiformat,&#8221; including unrestricted Mobipocket. So does Baen.</p>
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		<title>By: Wiebe</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2008/08/14/open-letter-to-random-house/comment-page-1/#comment-876538</link>
		<dc:creator>Wiebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in the process of publishing a book at the moment, which will appear both in print and in electronic form (Mobipocket). Unfortunately, Mobipocket&#039;s software does not allow the publisher to make the ebook available through ebookbase without drm applied. 

So even if the publisher and I think that the ebook should become available without any restrictions, the ebookbase system doesn&#039;t allow us to do so. So either we don&#039;t offer the ebook at all, or we offer it with drm applied. We opt for the second option. I guess the same is true for Random House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in the process of publishing a book at the moment, which will appear both in print and in electronic form (Mobipocket). Unfortunately, Mobipocket&#8217;s software does not allow the publisher to make the ebook available through ebookbase without drm applied. </p>
<p>So even if the publisher and I think that the ebook should become available without any restrictions, the ebookbase system doesn&#8217;t allow us to do so. So either we don&#8217;t offer the ebook at all, or we offer it with drm applied. We opt for the second option. I guess the same is true for Random House.</p>
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		<title>By: Christo</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2008/08/14/open-letter-to-random-house/comment-page-1/#comment-876520</link>
		<dc:creator>Christo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The very lightweight social watermarking of the DRM free songs on iTunes Plus (your email address is embedded in the song metadata) is enough for me. I buy eReader books with DRM because the key to unlock is (mostly) under my control, though no DRM would be better. I won&#039;t buy Mobipocket or MS Reader because the DRM is keyed to hardware and you rely on the vendor continuing to allow you access when you change devices.

It has always puzzled me just who the book publishers are afraid of when they insist on such draconian DRM measures. As you point out, the DRM can be cracked easily and scans of books are also available. It would be impossible to prove what effect these have on sales of authorised books (paper or electronic), but I would guess it would be extremely small. Why not target the small, relatively tech savvy bunch of people who have ebook readers with cheap DRM-free eBooks (stamped with their name). iTunes has proven that people will buy electronic copies of stuff if the process is easy, and not too restrictive 

When I finish reading a paper book I can (and do) lend it to other people. Perhaps that is what they don&#039;t want to happen - people giving their copies away. Then why not setup a scheme where you can give your ebook to a friend and they can then redeem that for their own copy with a discount? If this means that only a few people pay full price and everybody else gets a discount, so what? All the discounted sales are a bonus anyway!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The very lightweight social watermarking of the DRM free songs on iTunes Plus (your email address is embedded in the song metadata) is enough for me. I buy eReader books with DRM because the key to unlock is (mostly) under my control, though no DRM would be better. I won&#8217;t buy Mobipocket or MS Reader because the DRM is keyed to hardware and you rely on the vendor continuing to allow you access when you change devices.</p>
<p>It has always puzzled me just who the book publishers are afraid of when they insist on such draconian DRM measures. As you point out, the DRM can be cracked easily and scans of books are also available. It would be impossible to prove what effect these have on sales of authorised books (paper or electronic), but I would guess it would be extremely small. Why not target the small, relatively tech savvy bunch of people who have ebook readers with cheap DRM-free eBooks (stamped with their name). iTunes has proven that people will buy electronic copies of stuff if the process is easy, and not too restrictive </p>
<p>When I finish reading a paper book I can (and do) lend it to other people. Perhaps that is what they don&#8217;t want to happen &#8211; people giving their copies away. Then why not setup a scheme where you can give your ebook to a friend and they can then redeem that for their own copy with a discount? If this means that only a few people pay full price and everybody else gets a discount, so what? All the discounted sales are a bonus anyway!!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2008/08/14/open-letter-to-random-house/comment-page-1/#comment-876478</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do really not see the point of posting such a ranting letter. Your legal arguments are not correct - there is no requirement that content purchased to work with one device should work with others. Whether DRM is in Random Houses best interest is another question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do really not see the point of posting such a ranting letter. Your legal arguments are not correct &#8211; there is no requirement that content purchased to work with one device should work with others. Whether DRM is in Random Houses best interest is another question.</p>
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