Comments on: ePub marches on: In use at Waterstone’s and in Penguin Tasters program—with thousands of Penguin UK ePub titles due by year’s end http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/ News & views on e-books, libraries, publishing and related topics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:13:16 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: CroakerBC http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/comment-page-1/#comment-941226 CroakerBC Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:57:17 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/#comment-941226 I read lots and lots of ebooks on my pda. I bought some of those ebooks from fictionwise and other sites too. But I always bought them in Secure Microsoft Reader. Why? Simple: I can use [program name deleted for legal reasons] to convert those files to html or any other format I want to. Ebooks that I am interested in but only available in a format that cannot be converted? I don't buy them. I just wait till someone scanned them and download them for free. Not because I want to save money (I lose a lots more money playing cards than I spend buying books) but because I do it as a "FU" to the company who keeps imposing DRM on people like me. The idea of buying a book and be constrained to use such or such proprietary software to read it and not being able to save it to other formats is a total no-no for me. I may not be wrong in saying they lose more money with this protection scheme than they gain from it. So, just take away the freaking protection and I'll buy any ebook I want to read instead of acquiring them illegally. I read lots and lots of ebooks on my pda. I bought some of those ebooks from fictionwise and other sites too. But I always bought them in Secure Microsoft Reader. Why? Simple: I can use [program name deleted for legal reasons] to convert those files to html or any other format I want to.

Ebooks that I am interested in but only available in a format that cannot be converted? I don’t buy them. I just wait till someone scanned them and download them for free. Not because I want to save money (I lose a lots more money playing cards than I spend buying books) but because I do it as a “FU” to the company who keeps imposing DRM on people like me.

The idea of buying a book and be constrained to use such or such proprietary software to read it and not being able to save it to other formats is a total no-no for me. I may not be wrong in saying they lose more money with this protection scheme than they gain from it.

So, just take away the freaking protection and I’ll buy any ebook I want to read instead of acquiring them illegally.

]]> By: Claudiu http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/comment-page-1/#comment-899295 Claudiu Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:16:00 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/#comment-899295 Alan: Again, thanks for your suggestion, BookWorm seems interesting and I'll definitely follow its progress. However, at this time this is not an option for me, I can't stay connected to Internet with my PPC to read ebooks. It says in the About page that "We're working on ways to read your book content on your mobile phone even when you aren't connected to the internet." I'm going to have to wait until this is implemented. Alan: Again, thanks for your suggestion, BookWorm seems interesting and I’ll definitely follow its progress. However, at this time this is not an option for me, I can’t stay connected to Internet with my PPC to read ebooks.
It says in the About page that “We’re working on ways to read your book content on your mobile phone even when you aren’t connected to the internet.” I’m going to have to wait until this is implemented.

]]> By: Chris Meadows http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/comment-page-1/#comment-899193 Chris Meadows Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:20:52 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/#comment-899193 Because that's what the publishers want. The publishers are the ones who set the prices. Perhaps they think people who can afford a fancy-schmancy e-book reader have excess money to burn on books. Maybe they're just afraid of cannibalizing their print sales. Because that’s what the publishers want. The publishers are the ones who set the prices. Perhaps they think people who can afford a fancy-schmancy e-book reader have excess money to burn on books. Maybe they’re just afraid of cannibalizing their print sales.

]]> By: Steve Baxendale http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/comment-page-1/#comment-899144 Steve Baxendale Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:33:28 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/#comment-899144 The Waterstones ebook site is now fully operational. However can someone please explain to me why the ebook version of The Private Patient by P.D. James is £2 more expensive for the ebook? This for something that cannot be lent, sold and required the sacrifice of no trees to produce or fuel to transport? When is someone going to have the guts to price these correctly? The Waterstones ebook site is now fully operational. However can someone please explain to me why the ebook version of The Private Patient by P.D. James is £2 more expensive for the ebook? This for something that cannot be lent, sold and required the sacrifice of no trees to produce or fuel to transport? When is someone going to have the guts to price these correctly?

]]> By: Liza Daly http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/comment-page-1/#comment-898749 Liza Daly Tue, 09 Sep 2008 03:41:23 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/#comment-898749 Bookworm was designed to work well on the iPhone and Opera Mobile, but I haven't tested it on other devices. I'd love to know how it goes. Bookworm was designed to work well on the iPhone and Opera Mobile, but I haven’t tested it on other devices. I’d love to know how it goes.

]]> By: Alan Wallcraft http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/comment-page-1/#comment-898176 Alan Wallcraft Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:09:07 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/#comment-898176 Another ePub display option is Bookworm http://bookworm.threepress.org/about/ It requires an internet connection, and I don't know how well its mobile device option works. Another ePub display option is Bookworm http://bookworm.threepress.org/about/

It requires an internet connection, and I don’t know how well its mobile device option works.

]]> By: Claudiu http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/comment-page-1/#comment-898150 Claudiu Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:27:44 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/#comment-898150 Alan: Thanks a lot for mentioning MobiPocket Desktop, I tried it and it worked fine for one of the files. For the other one the conversion process seemed to work, but it ended without producing an ebook and without any errors. I'll use this way until something better comes along for PPC. In any case, I see a lot of people reading on PDAs and SmartPhones. IMO, if epub wants to be successful, this market needs to be addressed, too. Alan: Thanks a lot for mentioning MobiPocket Desktop, I tried it and it worked fine for one of the files. For the other one the conversion process seemed to work, but it ended without producing an ebook and without any errors. I’ll use this way until something better comes along for PPC.

In any case, I see a lot of people reading on PDAs and SmartPhones. IMO, if epub wants to be successful, this market needs to be addressed, too.

]]> By: Will Pollard http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/comment-page-1/#comment-896980 Will Pollard Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:51:45 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/#comment-896980 Mike, Thanks for the links. I will show this tutorial to friends who may understand it... Will Mike,

Thanks for the links. I will show this tutorial to friends who may understand it…

Will

]]> By: Mike Cane http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/comment-page-1/#comment-896496 Mike Cane Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:26:45 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/#comment-896496 >>>Is there a simple “save as ePUB” button somewhere? That is like a Holy Grail. InDesign is $$$$ obscene. This might help: http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/reference-creating-epub-files-for-ebooks/ >>>Is there a simple “save as ePUB” button somewhere?

That is like a Holy Grail. InDesign is $$$$ obscene.

This might help:
http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/reference-creating-epub-files-for-ebooks/

]]> By: Will Pollard http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/comment-page-1/#comment-896201 Will Pollard Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:46:00 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/#comment-896201 The Reader ships with Adobe Digital Editions on the CD and you are invited to authorise the Reader as well as the PC with online access. Also it turns out that Word is not supported directly. The file in the Reader is Rich Text Format and Word is required to make the transfer. I tried saving RTF from Open Office and that worked fine. So anything you can load into Open Office should be ok. ePUB would be even better. I am trying to study it but it seems a bit complex to create. Is there a simple "save as ePUB" button somewhere? The Reader ships with Adobe Digital Editions on the CD and you are invited to authorise the Reader as well as the PC with online access.

Also it turns out that Word is not supported directly. The file in the Reader is Rich Text Format and Word is required to make the transfer. I tried saving RTF from Open Office and that worked fine.

So anything you can load into Open Office should be ok.

ePUB would be even better. I am trying to study it but it seems a bit complex to create. Is there a simple “save as ePUB” button somewhere?

]]> By: Alan Wallcraft http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/comment-page-1/#comment-894219 Alan Wallcraft Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:25:13 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/#comment-894219 Claudiu: I don't know of a ePub reader for PocketPC, but the Windows Desktop MobiPocket Reader will import DRM-free ePub (like the Penguin Tasters) and export them as MOBIs. MobiPocket's conversion isn't perfect, and some features are not supported at all (embedded fonts, SVG graphics), but this often works surprisingly well. It is currently tied to Windows XP, but when the Linux version of MobiPocket's mobigen program comes out of alpha/beta testing it will be really easy for conversion to be done over the Internet. Claudiu: I don’t know of a ePub reader for PocketPC, but the Windows Desktop MobiPocket Reader will import DRM-free ePub (like the Penguin Tasters) and export them as MOBIs. MobiPocket’s conversion isn’t perfect, and some features are not supported at all (embedded fonts, SVG graphics), but this often works surprisingly well. It is currently tied to Windows XP, but when the Linux version of MobiPocket’s mobigen program comes out of alpha/beta testing it will be really easy for conversion to be done over the Internet.

]]> By: Mike Cane http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/comment-page-1/#comment-892978 Mike Cane Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:08:34 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/#comment-892978 My head hurts! There are too many variables. Just Make It Just Work! I don't recall if the Penguin Tasters have DRM. I opened them first in ADE then imported 2 into Sony's eLibrary software. 1) Sony's software correctly changed the color covers to nice grayscale. 2) Page-turning in the Sony software was a hell of a lot faster than in ADE. Ach. We'll know soon what sort of ePub Waterstones will offer. My head hurts! There are too many variables. Just Make It Just Work!

I don’t recall if the Penguin Tasters have DRM. I opened them first in ADE then imported 2 into Sony’s eLibrary software.

1) Sony’s software correctly changed the color covers to nice grayscale.

2) Page-turning in the Sony software was a hell of a lot faster than in ADE.

Ach. We’ll know soon what sort of ePub Waterstones will offer.

]]> By: Claudiu http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/comment-page-1/#comment-892926 Claudiu Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:49:20 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/#comment-892926 Is there any ebook reader for PocketPC capable of reading epub? I keep wanting to try epub but I'm not able to find any epub reader for pocket pc. Maybe there is one that I don't know about. If not... There may not be that many people out there still using a PPC for ebook reading but for the ones like me... this is a big show stopper for epub. Is there any ebook reader for PocketPC capable of reading epub? I keep wanting to try epub but I’m not able to find any epub reader for pocket pc. Maybe there is one that I don’t know about.

If not… There may not be that many people out there still using a PPC for ebook reading but for the ones like me… this is a big show stopper for epub.

]]> By: David Rothman http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/comment-page-1/#comment-892898 David Rothman Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:21:10 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/#comment-892898 Hi, Mike. Some points: 1. ePub is the core format. No DRM standard exists. 2. Adobe-DRMed ePub books might as well be in a proprietary format. The DRM is proprietary. 3. Luckily the Sony Reader can read DRMless ePub, which my own book will come in, among other formats. 4. Library software can read Adobe-DRM books, last I recalled. But the display is lousy. 5. It's high time for the IDPF to release ePub logos for DRMless books so people know they can buy with confidence. 6. Usual repeat of, "Down with DRM!" 7. Social DRM, which would work on a variety of machines, is a possible compromise. Thanks, David Hi, Mike. Some points:

1. ePub is the core format. No DRM standard exists.

2. Adobe-DRMed ePub books might as well be in a proprietary format. The DRM is proprietary.

3. Luckily the Sony Reader can read DRMless ePub, which my own book will come in, among other formats.

4. Library software can read Adobe-DRM books, last I recalled. But the display is lousy.

5. It’s high time for the IDPF to release ePub logos for DRMless books so people know they can buy with confidence.

6. Usual repeat of, “Down with DRM!”

7. Social DRM, which would work on a variety of machines, is a possible compromise.

Thanks,
David

]]> By: Mike Cane http://www.teleread.org/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/comment-page-1/#comment-892885 Mike Cane Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:13:11 +0000 http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/09/03/epub-marches-on-in-use-at-waterstones-and-in-penguin-tasters-program/#comment-892885 There is something I still don't understand. Isn't Adobe Digital Editions required to activate the ePub DRM? Yet according to Sony itself, only the eBook Library software will ship with Reader. Or can the Library software now do what ADE used to do? There is something I still don’t understand. Isn’t Adobe Digital Editions required to activate the ePub DRM? Yet according to Sony itself, only the eBook Library software will ship with Reader. Or can the Library software now do what ADE used to do?

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