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	<title>Comments on: Smart quotes and real dashes: How much do they matter to you in e-books?</title>
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		<title>By: Burgomeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burgomeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When converting doc/rtf/html/pdf to ASCII text (which I try to do with all my files), removing smart quotes is the first order of business. 

Then &#039;real&#039; m-dashes are converted to &#039;--&#039;, per the Project Gutenberg standard.

I get over 70,000 unique visitors a month, and no one has complained about these practices yet.

Besides, smart quotes are not ANSI standard - they&#039;re a Micro$oft aberration, so the less we see of them, the better.

ANSI text is the simplest and most universal form an ebook can take, and is compatible with just about every platform and gadget out there. I don&#039;t believe it will ever be displaced as the format of preference for fiction ebooks. Non-fiction, of course, is another matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When converting doc/rtf/html/pdf to ASCII text (which I try to do with all my files), removing smart quotes is the first order of business. </p>
<p>Then &#8216;real&#8217; m-dashes are converted to &#8216;&#8211;&#8217;, per the Project Gutenberg standard.</p>
<p>I get over 70,000 unique visitors a month, and no one has complained about these practices yet.</p>
<p>Besides, smart quotes are not ANSI standard &#8211; they&#8217;re a Micro$oft aberration, so the less we see of them, the better.</p>
<p>ANSI text is the simplest and most universal form an ebook can take, and is compatible with just about every platform and gadget out there. I don&#8217;t believe it will ever be displaced as the format of preference for fiction ebooks. Non-fiction, of course, is another matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 03:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really care either way unless it&#039;s something I&#039;m writing.

One of the first things I do on any wordprocessor (I&#039;m a freelance writer so I normally keep at least half a dozen installed) is turn off smart quotes.

They look great on a properly formatted book-- just wonderful.  But they look so terrible when they&#039;re messed up that I avoid using them most of the time because they&#039;re such a pain to deal with when you&#039;re changing dialog around.  

That being the case, I don&#039;t worry too much if they aren&#039;t there in something I read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really care either way unless it&#8217;s something I&#8217;m writing.</p>
<p>One of the first things I do on any wordprocessor (I&#8217;m a freelance writer so I normally keep at least half a dozen installed) is turn off smart quotes.</p>
<p>They look great on a properly formatted book&#8211; just wonderful.  But they look so terrible when they&#8217;re messed up that I avoid using them most of the time because they&#8217;re such a pain to deal with when you&#8217;re changing dialog around.  </p>
<p>That being the case, I don&#8217;t worry too much if they aren&#8217;t there in something I read.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Meadows</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going by the comments here, it seems more people care than don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going by the comments here, it seems more people care than don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Moriah Jovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moriah Jovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;People care? Seriously?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>People care? Seriously?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care much either way, and tend not to pay attention to them.  However, little is more annoying than they get messed up, or one is using a browser/reader that doesn&#8217;t support them. For example, the teleread blog entry <a href="http://www.teleread.org/2009/01/17/walt-mossberg-and-the-scrollmotion-fallacy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.teleread.org/2009/01/17/walt-mossberg-and-the-scrollmotion-fallacy/</a> appears to be trying to use smart quotes, but what I see is  and ” (a lowercase a with circumflex, a euro symbol and something else).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Brookes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Brookes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would rather do without smart quotes if that meant I&#039;d never have to see another garbled one. Garbled characters in an e-book drive me crazy. Real dashes are slightly more important, but spaces and hyphens used judiciously are a good substitute. So smart quotes would not make me more likely to recommend an e-book. Not at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather do without smart quotes if that meant I&#8217;d never have to see another garbled one. Garbled characters in an e-book drive me crazy. Real dashes are slightly more important, but spaces and hyphens used judiciously are a good substitute. So smart quotes would not make me more likely to recommend an e-book. Not at all.</p>
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		<title>By: De</title>
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		<dc:creator>De</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People care?  Seriously?

If I&#039;m doing anything with the coding of a book, I take the smart quotes out.  It&#039;s first on the list.  Dashes, eh, I don&#039;t really care about.  But smart quotes tend to annoy me.

As a basis for recommending a book or not, smart quotes are not even a consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People care?  Seriously?</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m doing anything with the coding of a book, I take the smart quotes out.  It&#8217;s first on the list.  Dashes, eh, I don&#8217;t really care about.  But smart quotes tend to annoy me.</p>
<p>As a basis for recommending a book or not, smart quotes are not even a consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: rahlquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>rahlquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If not using them makes more books more likely then dump em!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If not using them makes more books more likely then dump em!</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Kiesche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Kiesche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smart quotes and all that are great. Love them. Love DRM-free, multi-format eBooks even better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smart quotes and all that are great. Love them. Love DRM-free, multi-format eBooks even better.</p>
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		<title>By: pond</title>
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		<dc:creator>pond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curly quotes and proper dashes and ellipses make my reading experience SO much nicer. Like others, I revise any materials I can, such as gutenberg books.

But it would not count the slightest tittle in recommending a book or ebook to another. For that, content is my exclusive consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curly quotes and proper dashes and ellipses make my reading experience SO much nicer. Like others, I revise any materials I can, such as gutenberg books.</p>
<p>But it would not count the slightest tittle in recommending a book or ebook to another. For that, content is my exclusive consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do prefer smart quotes because they do look nicer. As far as dashes go, it&#039;s not a matter of what I prefer, it&#039;s a matter of what the author put in. If the author used em dashes, then I want em dashes in the eBook. When I convert content, I do tent to convent the quotes and apostrophes as needed and I do keep the dashes as the author intended. These little touches make for a nicer looking eBook that gives a better reading experience. If you are finding the formatting is getting in your face, then no matter how good the book is, the reading experience will be lessened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do prefer smart quotes because they do look nicer. As far as dashes go, it&#8217;s not a matter of what I prefer, it&#8217;s a matter of what the author put in. If the author used em dashes, then I want em dashes in the eBook. When I convert content, I do tent to convent the quotes and apostrophes as needed and I do keep the dashes as the author intended. These little touches make for a nicer looking eBook that gives a better reading experience. If you are finding the formatting is getting in your face, then no matter how good the book is, the reading experience will be lessened.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, now another thought just popped into my head. (After hitting submit, of course.)  :)

I also cringe at the way some younger people write today. Perhaps that&#039;s a by-product of not caring about the presentation as much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, now another thought just popped into my head. (After hitting submit, of course.)  <img src='http://www.teleread.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I also cringe at the way some younger people write today. Perhaps that&#8217;s a by-product of not caring about the presentation as much?</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a reader, no. I don&#039;t care. I&#039;ve read some horribly formatted ebooks in my time, and perhaps that&#039;s contributed to my internal ability to just correct on the fly, so to speak.

I&#039;ve also read professionally edited &amp; formatted books and while they look better, the story is the same whether it&#039;s in arial font or courier. 

I&#039;m not saying that authors/editors shouldn&#039;t produce good looking (e)books, just that it won&#039;t sway me when deciding if I like a book or not. I can understand how people feel differently, though.

To me, the message/story/article is what&#039;s most important, not so much how it&#039;s presented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a reader, no. I don&#8217;t care. I&#8217;ve read some horribly formatted ebooks in my time, and perhaps that&#8217;s contributed to my internal ability to just correct on the fly, so to speak.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also read professionally edited &amp; formatted books and while they look better, the story is the same whether it&#8217;s in arial font or courier. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that authors/editors shouldn&#8217;t produce good looking (e)books, just that it won&#8217;t sway me when deciding if I like a book or not. I can understand how people feel differently, though.</p>
<p>To me, the message/story/article is what&#8217;s most important, not so much how it&#8217;s presented.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not important at all. I just don&#039;t care. When I&#039;m reading, I don&#039;t notice whether the quotes are smart quotes or not.

I do prefer real dashes and indented paragraphs (if the paragraphs don&#039;t indent I feel like I&#039;m reading a webpage), but again, it&#039;s not really important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not important at all. I just don&#8217;t care. When I&#8217;m reading, I don&#8217;t notice whether the quotes are smart quotes or not.</p>
<p>I do prefer real dashes and indented paragraphs (if the paragraphs don&#8217;t indent I feel like I&#8217;m reading a webpage), but again, it&#8217;s not really important.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Durrant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Durrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recommend books on their content, not their character set.

But when creating ebooks I always use smart quotes and en or em dashes. Small touches make a lot of difference. I also prefer to create ebooks that don&#039;t indent the first paragraph of a chapter, that have a page break before chapter headings, that have a good table of contents (at the back!) And possibly also include some minor graphical niceties, perhaps in section breaks. And even, perhaps, do something special for the first character/ first words of each chapter.

Most readers will no consciously notice these items. But they do contribute to an overall impression of quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend books on their content, not their character set.</p>
<p>But when creating ebooks I always use smart quotes and en or em dashes. Small touches make a lot of difference. I also prefer to create ebooks that don&#8217;t indent the first paragraph of a chapter, that have a page break before chapter headings, that have a good table of contents (at the back!) And possibly also include some minor graphical niceties, perhaps in section breaks. And even, perhaps, do something special for the first character/ first words of each chapter.</p>
<p>Most readers will no consciously notice these items. But they do contribute to an overall impression of quality.</p>
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