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	<title>Comments on: Here comes the e-book revolution</title>
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		<title>By: Gary Frost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Frost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 03:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Chris. &quot;Here comes the e-book revolution&quot; and there it goes.
1.	the economy will send people to libraries
2.	the environmental cost favors paper in sustainability and energy requirements. The paper making industry grows more forests and the server farms are not free.
3.	the publishing process is based on the constraint and deliberation of print production. That is what makes books.
4.	Yes on-line retailing has been revolutionary as Amazon promotion of paper books shows. 
5.	all text and graphic communication is now digitally produced so I see no distinction of e-book production.
6.	the newspaper was a very late extension of the role of print and has been quickly shed to radio and TV long before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Chris. &#8220;Here comes the e-book revolution&#8221; and there it goes.<br />
1.	the economy will send people to libraries<br />
2.	the environmental cost favors paper in sustainability and energy requirements. The paper making industry grows more forests and the server farms are not free.<br />
3.	the publishing process is based on the constraint and deliberation of print production. That is what makes books.<br />
4.	Yes on-line retailing has been revolutionary as Amazon promotion of paper books shows.<br />
5.	all text and graphic communication is now digitally produced so I see no distinction of e-book production.<br />
6.	the newspaper was a very late extension of the role of print and has been quickly shed to radio and TV long before.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Meadows</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 03:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know. I&#039;d like to be so optimistic about e-books taking off this year and all. But there&#039;s a few problems I see.

People have been predicting the Rise of the E-Book for ten years now, and it has yet to come true. It has a better chance than ever of coming true, but a good chance doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s necessarily &lt;i&gt;going&lt;/i&gt; to happen. And none of the arguments Elgan puts forward really seem to hold much water.

&lt;b&gt;1) The Economy:&lt;/b&gt; So, basically, he&#039;s saying that because the economy&#039;s gone south, people are going to want to buy a $359 book reading gadget…and then twenty to thirty more books so it will pay for itself? Call me crazy, but I thought that in a bad economy, people were more likely to cut out luxury items, like books, altogether, and check them out from the library instead. (Or, to be realistic, download them via peer-to-peer onto non-Kindle devices they already have.)

&lt;b&gt;2) The Environment:&lt;/b&gt; You hear this touted as a big advantage of e-books from time to time, but it doesn&#039;t really hold up that well. For one thing, paper is a cash crop—for every tree cut down to make the proverbial &quot;dead tree&quot; books, two more are planted. The more paper we use, the more trees we (eventually) get. If you want to look at harmful deforestation, look at the slash-and-burn agriculture in South America—which doesn&#039;t have much to do with books, tree or e.

Also, who says that e-books are necessarily more environmentally friendly? What happens when all those Kindles stop working and end up in landfills? What kind of toxic components do they have making them up?

&lt;b&gt;3) A publishing revolution.&lt;/b&gt; Ah yes, the old cut-out-the-middlemen argument, which it seems like someone brings up &lt;i&gt;every five minutes&lt;/i&gt; in the &quot;why e-books will win&quot; debate. The problem with authors taking their books direct to the general public is that it only works for authors who have already built a reputation in the old-style publishing industry. If people don&#039;t know who you are, you&#039;ll have to compete with everybody else for their attention.

And conversely, publishers may be old and stodgy, but they also serve as gatekeepers and filters for taste: if I enjoyed one book Baen published, I might enjoy others too. The book-buying public is used to having that. That&#039;s what the system is built around. It &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; be replaced, of course—other systems could arise to perform the filtering function for individual consumers (alas, where&#039;s Alexlit when you need it), but it won&#039;t happen overnight.

It&#039;s not a matter of &quot;quality and care.&quot; It&#039;s a matter of not having to rummage through a mountain-sized slushpile to find something you&#039;d actually want to read.

&lt;b&gt;4) The rise in aggressive e-book marketing.&lt;/b&gt; Well, yes. They&#039;ll darned well &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; to market &quot;aggressively&quot; if they want to stand out from all the other books…which will also be aggressively marketed.

&lt;b&gt;5) A rise in books written for electronic reading.&lt;/b&gt; Um, yeah. Is this likely to be the sort of thing anybody wants to read? This smacks of &quot;if you build it they will come.&quot; Kind of reminds me of Vernor Vinge predicting the rise of hypertext-based fiction in his introduction to his annotated edition of &lt;i&gt;A Fire Upon the Deep.&lt;/i&gt; For it to happen, it has to happen not just because the medium &lt;i&gt;supports&lt;/i&gt; it. People actually have to &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to read it. 

And the structure of the novel generally hasn&#039;t changed much in the few hundred years since it was invented. If the entire industrial revolution wasn&#039;t sufficient to change how novels work, why would a transition to electronic form?

&lt;b&gt;6) The decline of the newspaper industry.&lt;/b&gt; Um, yeah. I&#039;ve already covered several articles debunking this in the last couple of days. No need to say more about it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;d like to be so optimistic about e-books taking off this year and all. But there&#8217;s a few problems I see.</p>
<p>People have been predicting the Rise of the E-Book for ten years now, and it has yet to come true. It has a better chance than ever of coming true, but a good chance doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s necessarily <i>going</i> to happen. And none of the arguments Elgan puts forward really seem to hold much water.</p>
<p><b>1) The Economy:</b> So, basically, he&#8217;s saying that because the economy&#8217;s gone south, people are going to want to buy a $359 book reading gadget…and then twenty to thirty more books so it will pay for itself? Call me crazy, but I thought that in a bad economy, people were more likely to cut out luxury items, like books, altogether, and check them out from the library instead. (Or, to be realistic, download them via peer-to-peer onto non-Kindle devices they already have.)</p>
<p><b>2) The Environment:</b> You hear this touted as a big advantage of e-books from time to time, but it doesn&#8217;t really hold up that well. For one thing, paper is a cash crop—for every tree cut down to make the proverbial &#8220;dead tree&#8221; books, two more are planted. The more paper we use, the more trees we (eventually) get. If you want to look at harmful deforestation, look at the slash-and-burn agriculture in South America—which doesn&#8217;t have much to do with books, tree or e.</p>
<p>Also, who says that e-books are necessarily more environmentally friendly? What happens when all those Kindles stop working and end up in landfills? What kind of toxic components do they have making them up?</p>
<p><b>3) A publishing revolution.</b> Ah yes, the old cut-out-the-middlemen argument, which it seems like someone brings up <i>every five minutes</i> in the &#8220;why e-books will win&#8221; debate. The problem with authors taking their books direct to the general public is that it only works for authors who have already built a reputation in the old-style publishing industry. If people don&#8217;t know who you are, you&#8217;ll have to compete with everybody else for their attention.</p>
<p>And conversely, publishers may be old and stodgy, but they also serve as gatekeepers and filters for taste: if I enjoyed one book Baen published, I might enjoy others too. The book-buying public is used to having that. That&#8217;s what the system is built around. It <i>could</i> be replaced, of course—other systems could arise to perform the filtering function for individual consumers (alas, where&#8217;s Alexlit when you need it), but it won&#8217;t happen overnight.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a matter of &#8220;quality and care.&#8221; It&#8217;s a matter of not having to rummage through a mountain-sized slushpile to find something you&#8217;d actually want to read.</p>
<p><b>4) The rise in aggressive e-book marketing.</b> Well, yes. They&#8217;ll darned well <i>have</i> to market &#8220;aggressively&#8221; if they want to stand out from all the other books…which will also be aggressively marketed.</p>
<p><b>5) A rise in books written for electronic reading.</b> Um, yeah. Is this likely to be the sort of thing anybody wants to read? This smacks of &#8220;if you build it they will come.&#8221; Kind of reminds me of Vernor Vinge predicting the rise of hypertext-based fiction in his introduction to his annotated edition of <i>A Fire Upon the Deep.</i> For it to happen, it has to happen not just because the medium <i>supports</i> it. People actually have to <i>want</i> to read it. </p>
<p>And the structure of the novel generally hasn&#8217;t changed much in the few hundred years since it was invented. If the entire industrial revolution wasn&#8217;t sufficient to change how novels work, why would a transition to electronic form?</p>
<p><b>6) The decline of the newspaper industry.</b> Um, yeah. I&#8217;ve already covered several articles debunking this in the last couple of days. No need to say more about it here.</p>
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