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	<title>Comments on: TeleRead Audio: Ingram Digital&#8217;s Frank Daniels III talks to Karen Holt on e-newspapers vis-a-vis e-books, E prices, DRM and other topics</title>
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		<title>By: Nico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, have refrained from buying many books because of DRM. I only buy as a last resort; the public library has DRM-copies, but advertises them for what they are: rentals--their DRM is designed specifically to make them expire. 

I&#039;d be interested to hear who pro-DRM people honestly think they&#039;re advocating for. Neil Gaiman said that the problem of most writers is obscurity, not piracy. I can&#039;t imagine many writers being upset that more people would read their books without DRM. 

It&#039;s certainly not good for readers, despite what Daniels says: &quot;DRM facilitates the inclusion of feature sets and functionalities that otherwise wouldn&#039;t be there.&quot;

I guess it must be publishers and distributors. It seems disingenuous to me to disguise DRM as an attempt to help consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, have refrained from buying many books because of DRM. I only buy as a last resort; the public library has DRM-copies, but advertises them for what they are: rentals&#8211;their DRM is designed specifically to make them expire. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to hear who pro-DRM people honestly think they&#8217;re advocating for. Neil Gaiman said that the problem of most writers is obscurity, not piracy. I can&#8217;t imagine many writers being upset that more people would read their books without DRM. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly not good for readers, despite what Daniels says: &#8220;DRM facilitates the inclusion of feature sets and functionalities that otherwise wouldn&#8217;t be there.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess it must be publishers and distributors. It seems disingenuous to me to disguise DRM as an attempt to help consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: MaryK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaryK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“We’ve not seen DRM to be any kind of barrier to a sale.”

How in the world would he know?  It&#039;s not like the lost sales are visible.  Maybe everybody who passes on a DRM&#039;d ebook needs to email the publisher so they can &quot;see&quot; the lost sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“We’ve not seen DRM to be any kind of barrier to a sale.”</p>
<p>How in the world would he know?  It&#8217;s not like the lost sales are visible.  Maybe everybody who passes on a DRM&#8217;d ebook needs to email the publisher so they can &#8220;see&#8221; the lost sales.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Carnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Carnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 01:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Publishers need to keep in mind that, in the ebook arena, the freebies are a major competitor.&quot;

And the reality is that it&#039;s not just public domain titles. I primarily read science fiction and non-fiction. There is more scifi released  eacfor free on the web each month, most of it CCed rather than PD, than I could possibly read in a year.

That&#039;s what they&#039;re really competing against. But oddly, I spend quite a bit each month buying science fiction from Baen. The main reason is I know that it will always be DRM-free and Baen actually provides an awesome service -- stuff I bought 5 years ago from them I can go and download in the correct format for the ebook reader that just came out a few months ago.

OTOH, I imagine the profits aren&#039;t quite what publishing houses want on a per-sale basis. I was looking at an interesting book on Fictionwise, and they wanted $27 for the DRMed version (which doesn&#039;t work on my ebook reader). Are they insane? At that price and with those restrictions, it suddenly becomes worth my time to find a pirated version and do the proper conversion myself.

I don&#039;t know what it is like on the inside, but from the outside publishers seem to be stuck in a VHS mindset when the rest of us are in a DVD world.

Frank Daniels is probably wrong -- he most certainly has lost a sale or two to DRM. But that&#039;s the wrong metric. The right metric is whether or not DRM is the best way for him to publishers to expand their market in a world where most print media is already taking it on the chin due to a collapse in business models and people having far more options for their free time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Publishers need to keep in mind that, in the ebook arena, the freebies are a major competitor.&#8221;</p>
<p>And the reality is that it&#8217;s not just public domain titles. I primarily read science fiction and non-fiction. There is more scifi released  eacfor free on the web each month, most of it CCed rather than PD, than I could possibly read in a year.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what they&#8217;re really competing against. But oddly, I spend quite a bit each month buying science fiction from Baen. The main reason is I know that it will always be DRM-free and Baen actually provides an awesome service &#8212; stuff I bought 5 years ago from them I can go and download in the correct format for the ebook reader that just came out a few months ago.</p>
<p>OTOH, I imagine the profits aren&#8217;t quite what publishing houses want on a per-sale basis. I was looking at an interesting book on Fictionwise, and they wanted $27 for the DRMed version (which doesn&#8217;t work on my ebook reader). Are they insane? At that price and with those restrictions, it suddenly becomes worth my time to find a pirated version and do the proper conversion myself.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what it is like on the inside, but from the outside publishers seem to be stuck in a VHS mindset when the rest of us are in a DVD world.</p>
<p>Frank Daniels is probably wrong &#8212; he most certainly has lost a sale or two to DRM. But that&#8217;s the wrong metric. The right metric is whether or not DRM is the best way for him to publishers to expand their market in a world where most print media is already taking it on the chin due to a collapse in business models and people having far more options for their free time.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Templer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Templer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so rabidly anti-DRM -- there must be some room for compromise here -- but as it stands, it is definitely a deterrent for me. I do buy books from ereader.com but not nearly as many as I would if I knew that they&#039;d be portable as the platform/format/DRM issues resolve themselves. I&#039;m aware that I have to think of each book I &quot;buy&quot; as a rental, so I&#039;m fairly cautious about how many I rent. Which means I read a LOT of public domain instead of buying new titles. 

Publishers need to keep in mind that, in the ebook arena, the freebies are a major competitor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so rabidly anti-DRM &#8212; there must be some room for compromise here &#8212; but as it stands, it is definitely a deterrent for me. I do buy books from ereader.com but not nearly as many as I would if I knew that they&#8217;d be portable as the platform/format/DRM issues resolve themselves. I&#8217;m aware that I have to think of each book I &#8220;buy&#8221; as a rental, so I&#8217;m fairly cautious about how many I rent. Which means I read a LOT of public domain instead of buying new titles. </p>
<p>Publishers need to keep in mind that, in the ebook arena, the freebies are a major competitor.</p>
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		<title>By: Marina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank Daniel III sez - &quot;We’ve not seen DRM to be any kind of barrier to a sale.&quot;  

Really?  I&#039;m a customer...and it&#039;s a barrier to me.  Yesterday, I had a choice of buying a book, hardcover or e-version, same price (no, no, I won&#039;t go down that rat hole) and guess what?  I chose to own the hardcover, rather than take a chance that DRM would cause my e-book to evaporate because the publisher went under and how likely is that, these days, Frank?  Treating your every customer like a potential thief does not breed trust.  Pay attention, Frank.  This massive insult called DRM didn&#039;t work for the music industry, why on earth would you think it a viable tool for the print industry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank Daniel III sez &#8211; &#8220;We’ve not seen DRM to be any kind of barrier to a sale.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Really?  I&#8217;m a customer&#8230;and it&#8217;s a barrier to me.  Yesterday, I had a choice of buying a book, hardcover or e-version, same price (no, no, I won&#8217;t go down that rat hole) and guess what?  I chose to own the hardcover, rather than take a chance that DRM would cause my e-book to evaporate because the publisher went under and how likely is that, these days, Frank?  Treating your every customer like a potential thief does not breed trust.  Pay attention, Frank.  This massive insult called DRM didn&#8217;t work for the music industry, why on earth would you think it a viable tool for the print industry?</p>
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