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	<title>Comments on: C.M. Mayo&#8217;s tips for novelists</title>
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		<title>By: chris bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a &#039;system card&#039; obsessive.

I rough outline and note-take with pen and vast quantities of paper. I find the &#039;scenes&#039; this way - eventually. Then I transfer these scenes to system cards... then wallpaper the wall with them. Play the &#039;outline jigsaw puzzle&#039; game for several weeks/months. Then chuck the whole shebang into a Word doc.

I also read, print, re-read and highlight thousands of  articles from the net. The highlighted sections then get typed into a document ... which then gets put into the relevant outlined scenes. 

Excessive? Yep.

I had 100 pages of outline on my current project plus 800 pages of notes in word document.

After all this drama actually writing the book is the fun bit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a &#8217;system card&#8217; obsessive.</p>
<p>I rough outline and note-take with pen and vast quantities of paper. I find the &#8217;scenes&#8217; this way &#8211; eventually. Then I transfer these scenes to system cards&#8230; then wallpaper the wall with them. Play the &#8216;outline jigsaw puzzle&#8217; game for several weeks/months. Then chuck the whole shebang into a Word doc.</p>
<p>I also read, print, re-read and highlight thousands of  articles from the net. The highlighted sections then get typed into a document &#8230; which then gets put into the relevant outlined scenes. </p>
<p>Excessive? Yep.</p>
<p>I had 100 pages of outline on my current project plus 800 pages of notes in word document.</p>
<p>After all this drama actually writing the book is the fun bit!</p>
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		<title>By: pond</title>
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		<dc:creator>pond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second the &#039;paper&#039; option. My first drafts go on cheap spiral notebooks, which I then dictate to disk using Dragon software. Somehow writing with a pen on paper, with margins to make doodles and notes, seems more natural, and engages my creative brain more. I also like that I&#039;m not burning electricity with the paper, and that the draft will outlast a disk crash (though not a housefire, alas).

The drawbacks include the extra time to dictate it, and the problems any transcription software will have with neologisms, made-up names, and all my other writerly quirks.

But once I&#039;m onto a second draft (and reorganization) I much prefer the computer with spell checking, reformatting and exporting, outlining, and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second the &#8216;paper&#8217; option. My first drafts go on cheap spiral notebooks, which I then dictate to disk using Dragon software. Somehow writing with a pen on paper, with margins to make doodles and notes, seems more natural, and engages my creative brain more. I also like that I&#8217;m not burning electricity with the paper, and that the draft will outlast a disk crash (though not a housefire, alas).</p>
<p>The drawbacks include the extra time to dictate it, and the problems any transcription software will have with neologisms, made-up names, and all my other writerly quirks.</p>
<p>But once I&#8217;m onto a second draft (and reorganization) I much prefer the computer with spell checking, reformatting and exporting, outlining, and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Court</title>
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		<dc:creator>Court</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to chime in here and say that I still, often, use paper notebooks.  Much as I like &lt;i&gt; reading &lt;/i&gt; e-books, I still do a lot of &lt;i&gt; writing &lt;/i&gt; by hand.  Less and less as time goes by, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to chime in here and say that I still, often, use paper notebooks.  Much as I like <i> reading </i> e-books, I still do a lot of <i> writing </i> by hand.  Less and less as time goes by, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Tassia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tassia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather, Avenir is now StoryMill from Mariner Software. 

I also wanted to add that while I used (physical) notebooks for a long time, I&#039;m finding myself more and more doing Spotlight searches to find info quickly. This is making me lean toward a &quot;digital notebook&quot; solution. 

Which, of course, brings me to Circus Ponies&#039; Notebook. A very cool app that is, to my mind, closest to the only Win app I truly envy - OneNote - though Curio is a close second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather, Avenir is now StoryMill from Mariner Software. </p>
<p>I also wanted to add that while I used (physical) notebooks for a long time, I&#8217;m finding myself more and more doing Spotlight searches to find info quickly. This is making me lean toward a &#8220;digital notebook&#8221; solution. </p>
<p>Which, of course, brings me to Circus Ponies&#8217; Notebook. A very cool app that is, to my mind, closest to the only Win app I truly envy &#8211; OneNote &#8211; though Curio is a close second.</p>
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		<title>By: Tassia</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/03/20/cm-mayos-tips-for-novelists/comment-page-1/#comment-1023860</link>
		<dc:creator>Tassia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second the recommendation for Scrivener. Great app. 

For organizing and arranging, Devonthink and Curio are both useful and wide-ranging, but with different interface styles. DT is currently in a 2.0 beta and it&#039;s looking like an amazing app.

Evernote (for all platforms, not just Mac) is probably the most useful because it syncs crossplatform, including with an iPhone app. 

Her list of books surprised me - in a good way! Some solidly helpful books on that list. One I would add is a little book called Art &amp; Fear by David Bayles and Ted Orland. Also, Twyla Tharp&#039;s The Creative Habit. I read that a few years back when it came out, but it&#039;s been making the rounds of the blog-o-sphere lately, so I thought I&#039;d mention it here. (Note that while both books are splendid in helping an artist create, neither one is specifically written to writers, per se.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second the recommendation for Scrivener. Great app. </p>
<p>For organizing and arranging, Devonthink and Curio are both useful and wide-ranging, but with different interface styles. DT is currently in a 2.0 beta and it&#8217;s looking like an amazing app.</p>
<p>Evernote (for all platforms, not just Mac) is probably the most useful because it syncs crossplatform, including with an iPhone app. </p>
<p>Her list of books surprised me &#8211; in a good way! Some solidly helpful books on that list. One I would add is a little book called Art &amp; Fear by David Bayles and Ted Orland. Also, Twyla Tharp&#8217;s The Creative Habit. I read that a few years back when it came out, but it&#8217;s been making the rounds of the blog-o-sphere lately, so I thought I&#8217;d mention it here. (Note that while both books are splendid in helping an artist create, neither one is specifically written to writers, per se.)</p>
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		<title>By: Heather S. Ingemar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather S. Ingemar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew a friend who like Avenir (sp?) for Mac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew a friend who like Avenir (sp?) for Mac.</p>
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		<title>By: pond</title>
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		<dc:creator>pond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, the &#039;hot new&#039; Mac app for writing might be Scrivener, though it&#039;s a couple years old. Has good facilities for note-taking, research, outlining, etc.

The only downside to it IMO is that it deals only in rich text documents or rtfd directories, and each file, note, summary, and tags are put into separate files. This makes for some big *.scriv files (which are actually directories).

Once Snow Leopard comes, and when Scrivener updates to take advantage of SL&#039;s built-in abbreviation-word-completion features, it will really be something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, the &#8216;hot new&#8217; Mac app for writing might be Scrivener, though it&#8217;s a couple years old. Has good facilities for note-taking, research, outlining, etc.</p>
<p>The only downside to it IMO is that it deals only in rich text documents or rtfd directories, and each file, note, summary, and tags are put into separate files. This makes for some big *.scriv files (which are actually directories).</p>
<p>Once Snow Leopard comes, and when Scrivener updates to take advantage of SL&#8217;s built-in abbreviation-word-completion features, it will really be something.</p>
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