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	<title>Comments on: drmfree tag campaign on Amazon picks up steam: Endorsed by Cory Doctorow and home-paged at MobileRead</title>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Martyn, since Jeff has supposedly claimed to be DRM agnostic, we need to work toward that a DRM-free option for Mobipocket books as well. But within the Kindle area, the drmfree campaign should go on. 

By the way, I wonder if the enforced use of proprietary DRM might be an area for the European Union to investigate. What do you think?

Thanks,
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Martyn, since Jeff has supposedly claimed to be DRM agnostic, we need to work toward that a DRM-free option for Mobipocket books as well. But within the Kindle area, the drmfree campaign should go on. </p>
<p>By the way, I wonder if the enforced use of proprietary DRM might be an area for the European Union to investigate. What do you think?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Martyn Folkes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martyn Folkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please note the unfairness of the drmfree tag for publishers and authors from outside the US. Unless you have a US bank account AND a US postal address AND a US Tax ID, you cannot publish through the Amazon DTP platform. The only option is to publish via Mobipocket, which means that the ebooks have DRM whether we want it or not.

Other platforms, such as Content Reserve and eBooks.com, currently do not allow a publisher to publish DRM free ebooks, AFAIK. Perhaps we should start another campaign to encourage these to allow DRM free books.

Martyn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please note the unfairness of the drmfree tag for publishers and authors from outside the US. Unless you have a US bank account AND a US postal address AND a US Tax ID, you cannot publish through the Amazon DTP platform. The only option is to publish via Mobipocket, which means that the ebooks have DRM whether we want it or not.</p>
<p>Other platforms, such as Content Reserve and eBooks.com, currently do not allow a publisher to publish DRM free ebooks, AFAIK. Perhaps we should start another campaign to encourage these to allow DRM free books.</p>
<p>Martyn</p>
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		<title>By: Paula B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Thanks so much for these instructions. I have to say it seems inconvenient at the least to have to borrow a Kindle in order to tell if my books are DRM&#039;d. That would mean every author and/or publisher who posts stuff to the Kindle store would need to have one (if they care about DRM). 

When you say an alternate method is to test create a file and examine it before it goes on sale, you&#039;re not talking about the preview function, are you? You upload a file and see if it&#039;s formatted the way you want. When you&#039;re happy with it, you press Publish. But once you do, you don&#039;t have access to any of your data until the book actually goes on sale, so you can&#039;t get to the file anymore. 

No worries about the PC vs. Mac thing, though. I&#039;m a lifelong PC girl. I&#039;m happy to help other authors who only have Macs, though. Just let me know, and I&#039;ll see if I can open your .mobi files on my Win XP machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for these instructions. I have to say it seems inconvenient at the least to have to borrow a Kindle in order to tell if my books are DRM&#8217;d. That would mean every author and/or publisher who posts stuff to the Kindle store would need to have one (if they care about DRM). </p>
<p>When you say an alternate method is to test create a file and examine it before it goes on sale, you&#8217;re not talking about the preview function, are you? You upload a file and see if it&#8217;s formatted the way you want. When you&#8217;re happy with it, you press Publish. But once you do, you don&#8217;t have access to any of your data until the book actually goes on sale, so you can&#8217;t get to the file anymore. </p>
<p>No worries about the PC vs. Mac thing, though. I&#8217;m a lifelong PC girl. I&#8217;m happy to help other authors who only have Macs, though. Just let me know, and I&#8217;ll see if I can open your .mobi files on my Win XP machine.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paula, not to worry. Sensible questions. Here&#039;s reply that others can correct if need be, or otherwise improve.

1. To download your Kindle books, you may need a K machine. Borrow one and use the USB cable to copy over the file to your desktop. A memory card might work in the case of the Kindle 1. Please note that another approach would be to test-create a file and examine &lt;em&gt;it&lt;/em&gt; if Amazon will let you do so before it goes on sale. Almost surely, since you used HTML for creation and presumably fed them into the Desktop Publishing Platform, you&#039;ll find that files are not DRMed. Check out Joshua&#039;s assurance in the first comment above.

2. Use your desktop machine to rename the files to test &#039;em with the .mobi extension. Use a right click on a file list to call up the rename command, at least if you&#039;re using a PC.

3. To try to read the .mobifiles, you can use Mobipocket on a PC at least. It&#039;s not open source but is a free download from Mobipocket.com.

I invite others to point out errors in the above or come up with better or more appropriate ways for Paula, especially if she has access only to a Mac. 

Best of luck, Paula, and keep us posted!

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula, not to worry. Sensible questions. Here&#8217;s reply that others can correct if need be, or otherwise improve.</p>
<p>1. To download your Kindle books, you may need a K machine. Borrow one and use the USB cable to copy over the file to your desktop. A memory card might work in the case of the Kindle 1. Please note that another approach would be to test-create a file and examine <em>it</em> if Amazon will let you do so before it goes on sale. Almost surely, since you used HTML for creation and presumably fed them into the Desktop Publishing Platform, you&#8217;ll find that files are not DRMed. Check out Joshua&#8217;s assurance in the first comment above.</p>
<p>2. Use your desktop machine to rename the files to test &#8216;em with the .mobi extension. Use a right click on a file list to call up the rename command, at least if you&#8217;re using a PC.</p>
<p>3. To try to read the .mobifiles, you can use Mobipocket on a PC at least. It&#8217;s not open source but is a free download from Mobipocket.com.</p>
<p>I invite others to point out errors in the above or come up with better or more appropriate ways for Paula, especially if she has access only to a Mac. </p>
<p>Best of luck, Paula, and keep us posted!</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Court</title>
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		<dc:creator>Court</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great campaign, and I&#039;ll be participating in all my reviews and Kindle activity at Amazon.  Thanks, David, for spreading the word.

A commenter at Boing Boing made a good point - the DRM issue is important for obvious reasons, not the least of which is the control of information they thus gain; and the more control Amazon gains, the more their apparent discrimination against gay/lesbian-themed books matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great campaign, and I&#8217;ll be participating in all my reviews and Kindle activity at Amazon.  Thanks, David, for spreading the word.</p>
<p>A commenter at Boing Boing made a good point &#8211; the DRM issue is important for obvious reasons, not the least of which is the control of information they thus gain; and the more control Amazon gains, the more their apparent discrimination against gay/lesbian-themed books matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, David. I&#039;m afraid I still don&#039;t understand. How can I rename an Amazon Kindle book .mobi if I don&#039;t have a Kindle? Don&#039;t I have to download the book from Amazon first? And also, is a .mobi reader open source software? Do I just download it free?

I really feel like a dummy about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, David. I&#8217;m afraid I still don&#8217;t understand. How can I rename an Amazon Kindle book .mobi if I don&#8217;t have a Kindle? Don&#8217;t I have to download the book from Amazon first? And also, is a .mobi reader open source software? Do I just download it free?</p>
<p>I really feel like a dummy about this.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Paula. Here&#039;s how you can tell if a book is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.teleread.org/2009/03/25/npr-offers-clueful-drm-story-rude-surprises-ahead-for-unsuspecting-kindle-owners/#comment-1026736&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DRM free&lt;/a&gt;. I&#039;ll be surprised if your HTML-originated books are tainted. Thanks for caring! - David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Paula. Here&#8217;s how you can tell if a book is <a href="http://www.teleread.org/2009/03/25/npr-offers-clueful-drm-story-rude-surprises-ahead-for-unsuspecting-kindle-owners/#comment-1026736" rel="nofollow">DRM free</a>. I&#8217;ll be surprised if your HTML-originated books are tainted. Thanks for caring! &#8211; David</p>
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		<title>By: Paula B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just checking on this, David. Amazon says that if you use the DTP conversion, the default is DRM-free. But I&#039;d like to check before tagging my books as such, and I don&#039;t have a Kindle. How can I do that? I submitted all of them as HTML.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just checking on this, David. Amazon says that if you use the DTP conversion, the default is DRM-free. But I&#8217;d like to check before tagging my books as such, and I don&#8217;t have a Kindle. How can I do that? I submitted all of them as HTML.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks David. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks David. <img src='http://www.teleread.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks, Joshua. I&#039;ll add a link to your comments. Clearly Amazon has a bit of clarification to do re DRM and .mobi. David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks, Joshua. I&#8217;ll add a link to your comments. Clearly Amazon has a bit of clarification to do re DRM and .mobi. David</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Tallent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Tallent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

I contacted the Amazon DTP support folks a while back with the question on DRM and got back this response:

&quot;Using Amazon DTP, publishers have the ability to add or omit DRM from their submissions. If you use the DTP conversion, the default will be DRM-Free. You can, however submit a mobipocket file through DTP, which can have DRM when it was created. If this is the case, then DTP will honor the DRM.&quot;

As for creating DRM-free content for the Kindle store, any file that is not a DRMed Mobipocket file (.prc or .mobi) will be published without DRM. That means that the large majority of books published through the DTP are not DRMed, because most authors and publishers are not making Mobipocket files.

Joshua Tallent
http://KindleFormatting.com/book
eBook guru and author of the complete guide to Kindle formatting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I contacted the Amazon DTP support folks a while back with the question on DRM and got back this response:</p>
<p>&#8220;Using Amazon DTP, publishers have the ability to add or omit DRM from their submissions. If you use the DTP conversion, the default will be DRM-Free. You can, however submit a mobipocket file through DTP, which can have DRM when it was created. If this is the case, then DTP will honor the DRM.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for creating DRM-free content for the Kindle store, any file that is not a DRMed Mobipocket file (.prc or .mobi) will be published without DRM. That means that the large majority of books published through the DTP are not DRMed, because most authors and publishers are not making Mobipocket files.</p>
<p>Joshua Tallent<br />
<a href="http://KindleFormatting.com/book" rel="nofollow">http://KindleFormatting.com/book</a><br />
eBook guru and author of the complete guide to Kindle formatting</p>
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