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		<title>By: Blue Tyson</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/05/04/content-protection-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1052337</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 18:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note also that the technology to copy paper gets better and cheaper all the time, too - cf google, and recent do it yourself cheap/fast scanners articles.

I don&#039;t think they are advocating going back to papyrus or clay to slow this down, are they? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note also that the technology to copy paper gets better and cheaper all the time, too &#8211; cf google, and recent do it yourself cheap/fast scanners articles.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they are advocating going back to papyrus or clay to slow this down, are they? <img src='http://www.teleread.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Blue Tyson</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/05/04/content-protection-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1052334</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 18:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irrational bit is the point, though, isn&#039;t it?

You continue to act irrationally, your businesses will be damaged, and quite possibly fail.

If after many years of explanation of this they still do not understand, then that particular group is likely doomed.  Or at least in a far weaker position than they should have been, so vulnerable.

But if they want it said :- books in html = good.  Excerpts in html = good.  (making your ADVERTISING HARD to access is basically CRAZY).  Or, if you make it easy and enjoyable to use you will MAKE MORE MONEY.

Here&#039;s an example.  Allen Steele&#039;s Coyote series has a website.  There&#039;s a short story not in any of the books made available, but only in FLASH.  Doesn&#039;t turn up in ANY of the first dozens of results in google, as a result. ADVERTISING FAIL.

Protected/encrypted/images/blocked/etc. makes it impossible to find in that sense.  Can&#039;t find it, can&#039;t buy it, can&#039;t read it.  Won&#039;t notice other stuff they have, as won&#039;t go there.

Possibly some of the management there have never used a search engine, but primary school kids could tell them this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irrational bit is the point, though, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>You continue to act irrationally, your businesses will be damaged, and quite possibly fail.</p>
<p>If after many years of explanation of this they still do not understand, then that particular group is likely doomed.  Or at least in a far weaker position than they should have been, so vulnerable.</p>
<p>But if they want it said :- books in html = good.  Excerpts in html = good.  (making your ADVERTISING HARD to access is basically CRAZY).  Or, if you make it easy and enjoyable to use you will MAKE MORE MONEY.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an example.  Allen Steele&#8217;s Coyote series has a website.  There&#8217;s a short story not in any of the books made available, but only in FLASH.  Doesn&#8217;t turn up in ANY of the first dozens of results in google, as a result. ADVERTISING FAIL.</p>
<p>Protected/encrypted/images/blocked/etc. makes it impossible to find in that sense.  Can&#8217;t find it, can&#8217;t buy it, can&#8217;t read it.  Won&#8217;t notice other stuff they have, as won&#8217;t go there.</p>
<p>Possibly some of the management there have never used a search engine, but primary school kids could tell them this.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron S. Miller, CTO of BookGlutton, a Web-based community of readers</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/05/04/content-protection-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1052305</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron S. Miller, CTO of BookGlutton, a Web-based community of readers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 17:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Francis I see your point, but unfortunately you&#039;ve undermined the long difficult progress we&#039;re trying to make with publishers. Even Amazon and Google have struggled immensely to prove that making unencrypted content available through a browser is a good idea, not a bad one. I think anyone who tries to fan the flames is doing a disservice to the wider reading community by prolonging the irrational fears out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Francis I see your point, but unfortunately you&#8217;ve undermined the long difficult progress we&#8217;re trying to make with publishers. Even Amazon and Google have struggled immensely to prove that making unencrypted content available through a browser is a good idea, not a bad one. I think anyone who tries to fan the flames is doing a disservice to the wider reading community by prolonging the irrational fears out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron S. Miller, CTO of BookGlutton, a Web-based community of readers</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/05/04/content-protection-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1052295</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron S. Miller, CTO of BookGlutton, a Web-based community of readers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 17:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, too heavy to lug around...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, too heavy to lug around&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FrancisT</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/05/04/content-protection-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1052291</link>
		<dc:creator>FrancisT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 17:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason I &quot;ripped&quot; the entire work was to show that is was possible, indeed it turned to be almost trivially simple.

The way I read this post and the embedded link is that you seemed to be in favor of making it hard to &quot;rip&quot; ebooks on the web. I felt that I should point out that your attmept to do so was a total failure. It was not clear that you offered other ways to download content nor is it clear to me how your website pays people who put things on it. Perhaps I should take another look.

Anyway the way to stop people ripping your work is to not rip them off and not treat them like potential thieves. Example of non-ripoff publisher: baen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason I &#8220;ripped&#8221; the entire work was to show that is was possible, indeed it turned to be almost trivially simple.</p>
<p>The way I read this post and the embedded link is that you seemed to be in favor of making it hard to &#8220;rip&#8221; ebooks on the web. I felt that I should point out that your attmept to do so was a total failure. It was not clear that you offered other ways to download content nor is it clear to me how your website pays people who put things on it. Perhaps I should take another look.</p>
<p>Anyway the way to stop people ripping your work is to not rip them off and not treat them like potential thieves. Example of non-ripoff publisher: baen</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Tyson</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/05/04/content-protection-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1052282</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 17:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would presume that a Book Glutton has access to, for example, The Oxford English Dictionary? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would presume that a Book Glutton has access to, for example, The Oxford English Dictionary? <img src='http://www.teleread.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Blue Tyson</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/05/04/content-protection-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1052280</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 17:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spelled it correctly for where the copy of this web page has been made, actually.  It is yours that is wrong, from where I sit. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spelled it correctly for where the copy of this web page has been made, actually.  It is yours that is wrong, from where I sit. <img src='http://www.teleread.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Aaron S. Miller, CTO of BookGlutton, a Web-based community of readers</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/05/04/content-protection-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1052276</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron S. Miller, CTO of BookGlutton, a Web-based community of readers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 16:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I added a small addendum to the post to help clear up misunderstandings. Blue, you spelled centered wrong.;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I added a small addendum to the post to help clear up misunderstandings. Blue, you spelled centered wrong.;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Tyson</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/05/04/content-protection-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1052265</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 16:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also a very USA-centred view of things.  Even those of us that live in technologically advanced countries don&#039;t have the cheap mobile internet that you do, so paying more to keep looking at something like that than buying the book itself is stupid, speaking of downloading.

You want people asking permission?  Who&#039;s going to answer the 10,000 emails asking is it ok to download a copy, in that case?  You, or the author?

This of course ignores the fact that on the internet, you have to make copies with your computer to look at it to start with.

The best (and only) means of protecting content is not to display it at all.  Not very profitable though. :)

We&#039;d like publishers and authors to realise this, and stop wasting their money and time and our money and time on such ludicrously quixotic pursuits.

We&#039;ll also like them more.

They&#039;ve caused themselves considerable economic damage already, speaking of being, err. Gluttons for punishment. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also a very USA-centred view of things.  Even those of us that live in technologically advanced countries don&#8217;t have the cheap mobile internet that you do, so paying more to keep looking at something like that than buying the book itself is stupid, speaking of downloading.</p>
<p>You want people asking permission?  Who&#8217;s going to answer the 10,000 emails asking is it ok to download a copy, in that case?  You, or the author?</p>
<p>This of course ignores the fact that on the internet, you have to make copies with your computer to look at it to start with.</p>
<p>The best (and only) means of protecting content is not to display it at all.  Not very profitable though. <img src='http://www.teleread.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We&#8217;d like publishers and authors to realise this, and stop wasting their money and time and our money and time on such ludicrously quixotic pursuits.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll also like them more.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve caused themselves considerable economic damage already, speaking of being, err. Gluttons for punishment. <img src='http://www.teleread.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Aaron S. Miller, CTO of BookGlutton, a Web-based community of readers</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/05/04/content-protection-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1052257</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron S. Miller, CTO of BookGlutton, a Web-based community of readers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 16:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can actually download all of BookGlutton&#039;s books through Stanza and our API. And of course, the full text is included in those EPUB files, unencrypted. This just provides another option for people who don&#039;t want to buy more hardware. It&#039;s also completely free. We don&#039;t make a dime off the reading experience we provide. The piece about content protection is not actually an argument for DRM as some of you seem to think. It&#039;s a plea to publishers to reconsider the ways that an author&#039;s work might be protected. As an author myself, I understand that protecting work from theft is important. In the link provided by FrancisT above, for example, you&#039;ll find the entire text of this article ripped from the widget app itself, in a lame attempt to prove that content in a browser can be stolen. It&#039;s true that anything that we display to the naked eye can be stolen, and open architectures make it easier to copy digital content. But those are the compelling reasons I hold up to reconsider whether encrypted downloads are the best means of protecting content. A far more important consideration is simple respect for authors and their work. Asking permission to copy a work is the minimum respect an author should be shown, and the more readers understand this, the better off we all are. In general, people familiar with the Web understand this better than those tethered to the notion that all files must be downloaded and kept forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can actually download all of BookGlutton&#8217;s books through Stanza and our API. And of course, the full text is included in those EPUB files, unencrypted. This just provides another option for people who don&#8217;t want to buy more hardware. It&#8217;s also completely free. We don&#8217;t make a dime off the reading experience we provide. The piece about content protection is not actually an argument for DRM as some of you seem to think. It&#8217;s a plea to publishers to reconsider the ways that an author&#8217;s work might be protected. As an author myself, I understand that protecting work from theft is important. In the link provided by FrancisT above, for example, you&#8217;ll find the entire text of this article ripped from the widget app itself, in a lame attempt to prove that content in a browser can be stolen. It&#8217;s true that anything that we display to the naked eye can be stolen, and open architectures make it easier to copy digital content. But those are the compelling reasons I hold up to reconsider whether encrypted downloads are the best means of protecting content. A far more important consideration is simple respect for authors and their work. Asking permission to copy a work is the minimum respect an author should be shown, and the more readers understand this, the better off we all are. In general, people familiar with the Web understand this better than those tethered to the notion that all files must be downloaded and kept forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/05/04/content-protection-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1052122</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Authors and publishers need to stop the games and just let people read the books. If we like the books, we&#039;ll buy more. If we don&#039;t, we won&#039;t.

Seems to me the focus should be on quality books.

I&#039;ve been saying that for a while now, I wish they would hear me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Authors and publishers need to stop the games and just let people read the books. If we like the books, we&#8217;ll buy more. If we don&#8217;t, we won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Seems to me the focus should be on quality books.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been saying that for a while now, I wish they would hear me.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Tyson</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/05/04/content-protection-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1052031</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 12:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it all boils down, to get someone to pay to read something, they have to be able to see it.  If you can see it, you can copy it.

End of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it all boils down, to get someone to pay to read something, they have to be able to see it.  If you can see it, you can copy it.</p>
<p>End of story.</p>
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		<title>By: FrancisT</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/05/04/content-protection-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1052011</link>
		<dc:creator>FrancisT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 12:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t actually protect the content anyway - http://www.di2.nu/200905/06a.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t actually protect the content anyway &#8211; <a href="http://www.di2.nu/200905/06a.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.di2.nu/200905/06a.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Meriall Blackwood</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/05/04/content-protection-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1051751</link>
		<dc:creator>Meriall Blackwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 00:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, no.

When I buy a book, it&#039;s because I expect to be able to keep it.  I won&#039;t buy DRM&#039;d books, not now and not ever. I&#039;m certainly not paying for something that I can&#039;t even take offline.

I&#039;ll wait.  The music industry went through contortion after contortion, and threw away sale after sale after sale after sale, trying not to sell music to customers in the format the customers wanted to buy it in.  I never bought DRM&#039;d music.  Finally, years later, I get my music by buying MP3s online.

In this case, the situation is not entirely analogous.  There&#039;s an unhappier, and not unlikely, outcome waiting in the wings: that a standard DRM&#039;d format does emerge, and is tied to one particular company&#039;s successful device.

Who has control then?  Who has pricing power?

The publishers?

They&#039;re not thinking very clearly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, no.</p>
<p>When I buy a book, it&#8217;s because I expect to be able to keep it.  I won&#8217;t buy DRM&#8217;d books, not now and not ever. I&#8217;m certainly not paying for something that I can&#8217;t even take offline.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll wait.  The music industry went through contortion after contortion, and threw away sale after sale after sale after sale, trying not to sell music to customers in the format the customers wanted to buy it in.  I never bought DRM&#8217;d music.  Finally, years later, I get my music by buying MP3s online.</p>
<p>In this case, the situation is not entirely analogous.  There&#8217;s an unhappier, and not unlikely, outcome waiting in the wings: that a standard DRM&#8217;d format does emerge, and is tied to one particular company&#8217;s successful device.</p>
<p>Who has control then?  Who has pricing power?</p>
<p>The publishers?</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not thinking very clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/2009/05/04/content-protection-in-a-networked-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1051380</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 16:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right, I would never ever buy a book I can&#039;t even download. You&#039;re going BACKWARDS from drm, not forwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right, I would never ever buy a book I can&#8217;t even download. You&#8217;re going BACKWARDS from drm, not forwards.</p>
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