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	<title>Comments on: Social DRM vs. traditional Mobipocket-style DRM: Time for a switch?</title>
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		<title>By: The Janitor</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/24/social-drm-vs-traditional-mobipocket-style-drm-time-for-a-switch/#comment-775814</link>
		<dc:creator>The Janitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is way late for this particular blog entry, but if I buy a book, what rights management does the author have besides the copyright laws? If I buy anything that is not in a digital format, the author/publisher/etc have done nothing to prevent its redistribution. Crimony: I can even donate a book, tape, CD, or DVD to a library, thereby removing hundreds to thousands of potential purchasers from the pool of their profits. So, how does being on  digital media drastically differ from this model? Why should the consumer be punished for selecting a format that is orders of magnitude cheaper for them to produce and distribute? Why is DRM an issue at all? I just don't get it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is way late for this particular blog entry, but if I buy a book, what rights management does the author have besides the copyright laws? If I buy anything that is not in a digital format, the author/publisher/etc have done nothing to prevent its redistribution. Crimony: I can even donate a book, tape, CD, or DVD to a library, thereby removing hundreds to thousands of potential purchasers from the pool of their profits. So, how does being on  digital media drastically differ from this model? Why should the consumer be punished for selecting a format that is orders of magnitude cheaper for them to produce and distribute? Why is DRM an issue at all? I just don&#8217;t get it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Bentley</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/24/social-drm-vs-traditional-mobipocket-style-drm-time-for-a-switch/#comment-509849</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tamas, 

I really like Brad Templeton's 'don't pay button' idea as well which is why I include it as a business model. His  idea has also been around for a long time without going anywhere and I thought Rights Office would provide infrastructure to make it work.

I agree software is in a different league to books and music which is probably why GPL type licenses appear to be flourishing along side commercial uses.

The way I propose to implement 'rights trade' in the Rights Office system introduces subtle changes that could make consumers look beyond access. For example:

- Each consumer gets an individual license to a specific piece of content not a general license that is available to everyone such as GPL or Creative Commons. This increases the consumers sense of ownership; They own the book, can get it off their shelf at any time. The author / publisher can model 'further plans' by providing, say, a discount on a sequel to consumers who own the first. Consumers can demonstrate to the RIAA when they come knocking that they own their copy of the music.

Sure, there will always be many who will never buy (or can't afford to buy) if they can help it (there are now) but if we shift the balance toward 'positive' ownership it might make all the difference.

Sorry if these comments are drifting slightly off-topic but I hope they provide thought for the broad 'social DRM' picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tamas, </p>
<p>I really like Brad Templeton&#8217;s &#8216;don&#8217;t pay button&#8217; idea as well which is why I include it as a business model. His  idea has also been around for a long time without going anywhere and I thought Rights Office would provide infrastructure to make it work.</p>
<p>I agree software is in a different league to books and music which is probably why GPL type licenses appear to be flourishing along side commercial uses.</p>
<p>The way I propose to implement &#8216;rights trade&#8217; in the Rights Office system introduces subtle changes that could make consumers look beyond access. For example:</p>
<p>- Each consumer gets an individual license to a specific piece of content not a general license that is available to everyone such as GPL or Creative Commons. This increases the consumers sense of ownership; They own the book, can get it off their shelf at any time. The author / publisher can model &#8216;further plans&#8217; by providing, say, a discount on a sequel to consumers who own the first. Consumers can demonstrate to the RIAA when they come knocking that they own their copy of the music.</p>
<p>Sure, there will always be many who will never buy (or can&#8217;t afford to buy) if they can help it (there are now) but if we shift the balance toward &#8216;positive&#8217; ownership it might make all the difference.</p>
<p>Sorry if these comments are drifting slightly off-topic but I hope they provide thought for the broad &#8217;social DRM&#8217; picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Deena</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/24/social-drm-vs-traditional-mobipocket-style-drm-time-for-a-switch/#comment-509360</link>
		<dc:creator>Deena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Amazon's idea of allowing people to "search inside this book" is a good one, and it's what a lot of authors do already on their personal websites, post excerpts so that people can decide for themselves if they want to read it before forking over the cash. Since this is already in play, I don't think adding it to a system to control theft would work. 

If we're talking about the costs of books, if print books went to the POD model and stopped print runs of 5k or more, half or more of which end up pulped (or covered in detergent in a bookstore's dumpster), then production cost for print would go down, and that would trickle down to the consumer.  It might not right away, but someone would realize they could sell more books if theirs costs less, and then it would be a gas war.

Talking about e-books, if I format our author's stories myself, I can do it in Microsoft Reader, Mobipocket, HTML and plain text without any cost but time. However, it costs $30.00 for the software (and a sharper learning curve) to format for Palm and eReader.  You're not even allowed to do it yourself for Sony--it costs $300.00 there, iirc. if it's being uploaded to a second or third party website in any of the formats I mentioned, many times you have to pay so that they will format it, even if you believe you would do a better job than they would.  It's not a big fee, but it adds up, plus they get a very good portion of the profits. If you upload it to mobipocket, for instance, you're required to add the DRM, even if you don't want it, and they take the same chunk.

I think micro-refunds would benefit few. They sound like rebates. No one really wants to pay full price and then get some money back later. Whatever the reality, no one feels like they've made a bargain.

I also think that people would do about the same or less content sharing if they were paid to do so.  How many reader blogs are also Amazon affiliates? It taints them. Their impartiality is suspect. No one knows if they really love the book or if they just want to get the kickback. That's why journals like Consumer Reports (and if it's not that one it's one like it) refuse paid advertising. 

In addition, considering the idea of community, I ran across a reader blog the other day where a commenter said they didn't want to feel like they were in a community with the author; that it always felt like an artificial way to build sales.  I think that commenter is in the minority, and I think it has to do with whether or not the way the community is built feels genuine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Amazon&#8217;s idea of allowing people to &#8220;search inside this book&#8221; is a good one, and it&#8217;s what a lot of authors do already on their personal websites, post excerpts so that people can decide for themselves if they want to read it before forking over the cash. Since this is already in play, I don&#8217;t think adding it to a system to control theft would work. </p>
<p>If we&#8217;re talking about the costs of books, if print books went to the POD model and stopped print runs of 5k or more, half or more of which end up pulped (or covered in detergent in a bookstore&#8217;s dumpster), then production cost for print would go down, and that would trickle down to the consumer.  It might not right away, but someone would realize they could sell more books if theirs costs less, and then it would be a gas war.</p>
<p>Talking about e-books, if I format our author&#8217;s stories myself, I can do it in Microsoft Reader, Mobipocket, HTML and plain text without any cost but time. However, it costs $30.00 for the software (and a sharper learning curve) to format for Palm and eReader.  You&#8217;re not even allowed to do it yourself for Sony&#8211;it costs $300.00 there, iirc. if it&#8217;s being uploaded to a second or third party website in any of the formats I mentioned, many times you have to pay so that they will format it, even if you believe you would do a better job than they would.  It&#8217;s not a big fee, but it adds up, plus they get a very good portion of the profits. If you upload it to mobipocket, for instance, you&#8217;re required to add the DRM, even if you don&#8217;t want it, and they take the same chunk.</p>
<p>I think micro-refunds would benefit few. They sound like rebates. No one really wants to pay full price and then get some money back later. Whatever the reality, no one feels like they&#8217;ve made a bargain.</p>
<p>I also think that people would do about the same or less content sharing if they were paid to do so.  How many reader blogs are also Amazon affiliates? It taints them. Their impartiality is suspect. No one knows if they really love the book or if they just want to get the kickback. That&#8217;s why journals like Consumer Reports (and if it&#8217;s not that one it&#8217;s one like it) refuse paid advertising. </p>
<p>In addition, considering the idea of community, I ran across a reader blog the other day where a commenter said they didn&#8217;t want to feel like they were in a community with the author; that it always felt like an artificial way to build sales.  I think that commenter is in the minority, and I think it has to do with whether or not the way the community is built feels genuine.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamas Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/24/social-drm-vs-traditional-mobipocket-style-drm-time-for-a-switch/#comment-509271</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamas Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholas, I am not saying it won't work... but I'mskeptical.

"Trading rights" works in the enterprise software world where software is dual-licensed GPL and commercial. A company would not risk not having the &lt;i&gt;rights&lt;/i&gt;... therefore commercial licenses will be purchased even though the tangible part, the software, the source code is already in their possession.

However, I don't see how it will work with music or ebook downloads where
- the consumers are individuals who don't have to be "afraid" of law enforcement (something the RIAA is trying to change :) )
- the consumers have no further plans other than to access the content

The ideas that I found rather interesting are:

micro-refunds:
Some kind of multi-level or associate marketing where people would be endorsed to spread the content and they would make money on sales. 
&lt;a href="http://www.templetons.com/brad/dontpay.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Don't Pay Button&lt;/A&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas, I am not saying it won&#8217;t work&#8230; but I&#8217;mskeptical.</p>
<p>&#8220;Trading rights&#8221; works in the enterprise software world where software is dual-licensed GPL and commercial. A company would not risk not having the <i>rights</i>&#8230; therefore commercial licenses will be purchased even though the tangible part, the software, the source code is already in their possession.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t see how it will work with music or ebook downloads where<br />
- the consumers are individuals who don&#8217;t have to be &#8220;afraid&#8221; of law enforcement (something the RIAA is trying to change <img src='http://www.teleread.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )<br />
- the consumers have no further plans other than to access the content</p>
<p>The ideas that I found rather interesting are:</p>
<p>micro-refunds:<br />
Some kind of multi-level or associate marketing where people would be endorsed to spread the content and they would make money on sales.<br />
<a href="http://www.templetons.com/brad/dontpay.html" rel="nofollow">Don&#8217;t Pay Button</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Bentley</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/24/social-drm-vs-traditional-mobipocket-style-drm-time-for-a-switch/#comment-508658</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tamas, Thanks for reading the article. If you have any comments / feedback I am always interested. 

I have had a paper, based on what you are reading, accepted for the &lt;a HREF="http://virtualgoods.tu-ilmenau.de/2007/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Virtual Goods&lt;/a&gt; conference in Koblenz, Germany, in October. I'm hoping that will generate some discussion with people in the field.

I have been at this for a long time (in my spare time) now, for eight / ten years maybe. I thought I had an idea and I thought if I told people about it someone would pick up on it. Despite a few good supporters and a few articles published I guess it doesn't  work like this. Or it is not a good idea and no one is prepared to come out and say so and back it up with reasons (just saying, 'It won't work' doesn't stop me thinking 'why not').

In hindsight, I should have spent my time developing the system and not talking about it. That is what I am doing now but it is probably going to take another 10 years. Suggestion on how to proceed are also welcome.

This is probably relevant for social DRM. It needs a champion (David? :) who is going to push it into reality ASAP and see how it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tamas, Thanks for reading the article. If you have any comments / feedback I am always interested. </p>
<p>I have had a paper, based on what you are reading, accepted for the <a HREF="http://virtualgoods.tu-ilmenau.de/2007/" rel="nofollow">Virtual Goods</a> conference in Koblenz, Germany, in October. I&#8217;m hoping that will generate some discussion with people in the field.</p>
<p>I have been at this for a long time (in my spare time) now, for eight / ten years maybe. I thought I had an idea and I thought if I told people about it someone would pick up on it. Despite a few good supporters and a few articles published I guess it doesn&#8217;t  work like this. Or it is not a good idea and no one is prepared to come out and say so and back it up with reasons (just saying, &#8216;It won&#8217;t work&#8217; doesn&#8217;t stop me thinking &#8216;why not&#8217;).</p>
<p>In hindsight, I should have spent my time developing the system and not talking about it. That is what I am doing now but it is probably going to take another 10 years. Suggestion on how to proceed are also welcome.</p>
<p>This is probably relevant for social DRM. It needs a champion (David? <img src='http://www.teleread.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> who is going to push it into reality ASAP and see how it works.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/24/social-drm-vs-traditional-mobipocket-style-drm-time-for-a-switch/#comment-508399</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tamas and Nick: Delighted people are paying attention to the biz model issue. I remain worried about reviewer impartiality since we could be talking major money here--far, far more than is the case today. But let's get other perspectives. Thanks. David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tamas and Nick: Delighted people are paying attention to the biz model issue. I remain worried about reviewer impartiality since we could be talking major money here&#8211;far, far more than is the case today. But let&#8217;s get other perspectives. Thanks. David</p>
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		<title>By: Tamas Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/24/social-drm-vs-traditional-mobipocket-style-drm-time-for-a-switch/#comment-508186</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamas Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

Nicholas Bentley,

I'm reading your article, very interesting indeed.
I found your website at &lt;a href="http://www.commonrights.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;commonrights.com&lt;/a&gt;... it's been around for a while. I'm wondering what's your experience with putting the idea of the "Rights Office" into practice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>Nicholas Bentley,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading your article, very interesting indeed.<br />
I found your website at <a href="http://www.commonrights.com" rel="nofollow">commonrights.com</a>&#8230; it&#8217;s been around for a while. I&#8217;m wondering what&#8217;s your experience with putting the idea of the &#8220;Rights Office&#8221; into practice?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Bentley</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/24/social-drm-vs-traditional-mobipocket-style-drm-time-for-a-switch/#comment-506574</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, you said:

"but I have mixed feelings because of the potential conflict of interest, even if it’s small. I definitely would not like large rewards for book mentions."

A very good point and of course any reviewer would have to consider how they play this. I imagine even today well known reviewers have to be careful of their impartiality and not accept gifts from publishers etc.

Having said that there is a subtle change in prospective under the Rights Office system which might or might not be reproducable under social DRM: Because of the freedom of identified copies in the RO system a reviewer who BOUGHT rights to her own copy and then went on to review it could then pass on a copy to anyone who read the review. The recipients are free to read the book as well as the review and decide weather the book is worth buying.

Of course you ask, why would anyone buy the book if they already have it in their hands to read? I believe their are a number of reasons:

-  If the consumer throws down the book after the first chapter because they think it is rubbish they probably won't buy it and they will be justified in this action and not obliged or expected to pay.

- If you enjoy reading the book many people would be happy to reward the author in the hope of more good books to come if nothing else. This will be more so the case if they also know they don't have to buy books they don't like. and more so the case if the price is reasonable. (As Tamas said: 'especially if prices would drop to a point where it’s just not worth your time to bother with searching for a “free” download.')

- Another small positive incentive here in the chain of contributions [1] is that the consumer would know they are also rewarding the reviewer for her good work as well.

- Buying the book will put it on the consumers 'virtual book shelf' guaranteeing permanent instant access in the future when they want to dip into it. There is a moral point here as well; they can demonstrate their support for the artist.

- Buying the book will give them the right to share it (lend) with their friends.

Best, Nicholas

[1] http://preview.tinyurl.com/32tcv9</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, you said:</p>
<p>&#8220;but I have mixed feelings because of the potential conflict of interest, even if it’s small. I definitely would not like large rewards for book mentions.&#8221;</p>
<p>A very good point and of course any reviewer would have to consider how they play this. I imagine even today well known reviewers have to be careful of their impartiality and not accept gifts from publishers etc.</p>
<p>Having said that there is a subtle change in prospective under the Rights Office system which might or might not be reproducable under social DRM: Because of the freedom of identified copies in the RO system a reviewer who BOUGHT rights to her own copy and then went on to review it could then pass on a copy to anyone who read the review. The recipients are free to read the book as well as the review and decide weather the book is worth buying.</p>
<p>Of course you ask, why would anyone buy the book if they already have it in their hands to read? I believe their are a number of reasons:</p>
<p>-  If the consumer throws down the book after the first chapter because they think it is rubbish they probably won&#8217;t buy it and they will be justified in this action and not obliged or expected to pay.</p>
<p>- If you enjoy reading the book many people would be happy to reward the author in the hope of more good books to come if nothing else. This will be more so the case if they also know they don&#8217;t have to buy books they don&#8217;t like. and more so the case if the price is reasonable. (As Tamas said: &#8216;especially if prices would drop to a point where it’s just not worth your time to bother with searching for a “free” download.&#8217;)</p>
<p>- Another small positive incentive here in the chain of contributions [1] is that the consumer would know they are also rewarding the reviewer for her good work as well.</p>
<p>- Buying the book will put it on the consumers &#8216;virtual book shelf&#8217; guaranteeing permanent instant access in the future when they want to dip into it. There is a moral point here as well; they can demonstrate their support for the artist.</p>
<p>- Buying the book will give them the right to share it (lend) with their friends.</p>
<p>Best, Nicholas</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://preview.tinyurl.com/32tcv9" rel="nofollow">http://preview.tinyurl.com/32tcv9</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/24/social-drm-vs-traditional-mobipocket-style-drm-time-for-a-switch/#comment-506242</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholas: Thanks for your thoughts---it's great when people propose different biz models, because some wonderful things can come out of the mix.

On the page mentioned, you write: "If a consumer persuades a friend to buy a copy the original consumer could obtain a small referral refund. On a larger scale, imagine a reviewer who attracted a large consumer following. If she attracts a wide audience for a new work she could potentially earn more than just a refund on the original purchase price."

In evaluating or designing the referral model, it's helpful to consider various possible complications. For example, as someone who reviews e-book-related products, including some books on occasion, I don't &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; major money for sales generated. I may well add an Amazon link to the TeleBlog at some point, since I mention so many P versions of books and could use the money, but I have mixed feelings because of the potential conflict of interest, even if it's small. I definitely would not like large rewards for book mentions. Totally inappropriate. The Amazon links, of course, bring in some cash even with negative mentions. Still...

I hope that's helpful, Nicholas.

Thanks,
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas: Thanks for your thoughts&#8212;it&#8217;s great when people propose different biz models, because some wonderful things can come out of the mix.</p>
<p>On the page mentioned, you write: &#8220;If a consumer persuades a friend to buy a copy the original consumer could obtain a small referral refund. On a larger scale, imagine a reviewer who attracted a large consumer following. If she attracts a wide audience for a new work she could potentially earn more than just a refund on the original purchase price.&#8221;</p>
<p>In evaluating or designing the referral model, it&#8217;s helpful to consider various possible complications. For example, as someone who reviews e-book-related products, including some books on occasion, I don&#8217;t <em>want</em> major money for sales generated. I may well add an Amazon link to the TeleBlog at some point, since I mention so many P versions of books and could use the money, but I have mixed feelings because of the potential conflict of interest, even if it&#8217;s small. I definitely would not like large rewards for book mentions. Totally inappropriate. The Amazon links, of course, bring in some cash even with negative mentions. Still&#8230;</p>
<p>I hope that&#8217;s helpful, Nicholas.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Bentley</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/24/social-drm-vs-traditional-mobipocket-style-drm-time-for-a-switch/#comment-506189</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David, All,

I like some of the ideas here for social DRM but, of course, I would like to go all the way and introduce the Rights Office system for regulating content in a socially acceptable way without the need for any technical control of the contnet. I will just try and compare some of the common features:

1) Rights Office (RO) uses unique identifiers to identify the content but unlike social DRM these identifiers are opaque and so don't contain any personal information.

2) Under RO, like social DRM, you truly own the content - forever.

3) Reading the content would not depend on a particular piece of technology (eBook).

4) Any number of copies can be made to provide access for the owner.

5) "The process would be probably be less complex than existing DRM systems." - especially for the consumer under the RO scheme and probably this is also true for social DRM.

6) Still can't figure out operational costs for either system.

7) "What should e-book publishers do to augment the technology with the proper social environment to discouraging mass piracy?" I have listed a number of dynamic features (business practices) that could be used to enhance the social environment for the RO here [http://preview.tinyurl.com/3485p9] and I think many of these could be used for social DRM.

8) RO provides "digital proof of purchase." as mentioned by Tamas Simon.

9) "My own theory, however, is that the social details may count even more." This is the RO view as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David, All,</p>
<p>I like some of the ideas here for social DRM but, of course, I would like to go all the way and introduce the Rights Office system for regulating content in a socially acceptable way without the need for any technical control of the contnet. I will just try and compare some of the common features:</p>
<p>1) Rights Office (RO) uses unique identifiers to identify the content but unlike social DRM these identifiers are opaque and so don&#8217;t contain any personal information.</p>
<p>2) Under RO, like social DRM, you truly own the content - forever.</p>
<p>3) Reading the content would not depend on a particular piece of technology (eBook).</p>
<p>4) Any number of copies can be made to provide access for the owner.</p>
<p>5) &#8220;The process would be probably be less complex than existing DRM systems.&#8221; - especially for the consumer under the RO scheme and probably this is also true for social DRM.</p>
<p>6) Still can&#8217;t figure out operational costs for either system.</p>
<p>7) &#8220;What should e-book publishers do to augment the technology with the proper social environment to discouraging mass piracy?&#8221; I have listed a number of dynamic features (business practices) that could be used to enhance the social environment for the RO here [http://preview.tinyurl.com/3485p9] and I think many of these could be used for social DRM.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.teleread.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> RO provides &#8220;digital proof of purchase.&#8221; as mentioned by Tamas Simon.</p>
<p>9) &#8220;My own theory, however, is that the social details may count even more.&#8221; This is the RO view as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Dhamu</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/24/social-drm-vs-traditional-mobipocket-style-drm-time-for-a-switch/#comment-505474</link>
		<dc:creator>Dhamu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bill: &lt;i&gt;&#8220;at worst you’d have only one or two ebooks on the go at any one time.&#8221;&lt;/i&gt;
Unrelated to the main topic, but the point has been made in other discussions: people read differently.  Some may read one book at a time, others many more.  For example, I'm actively reading &lt;i&gt;seven&lt;/i&gt; books on my eBookwise, of the twenty-odd currently loaded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bill: <i>&ldquo;at worst you’d have only one or two ebooks on the go at any one time.&rdquo;</i><br />
Unrelated to the main topic, but the point has been made in other discussions: people read differently.  Some may read one book at a time, others many more.  For example, I&#8217;m actively reading <i>seven</i> books on my eBookwise, of the twenty-odd currently loaded.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/24/social-drm-vs-traditional-mobipocket-style-drm-time-for-a-switch/#comment-505270</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re social DRM: I'm delighted to see Bill and Tamas considering the technical details, and I hope they will continue, joined by others. My own theory, however, is that the social details may count even more. I think that publishers will have to reconcile themselves to a large amount of leakage and the need not to play Gestapo. At the same time, I think net earnings will be higher since traditional DRM, both in costs and lost sales, is such a heavy tax on e-bookdom. The key is to make books more of a community medium in a way that draws writers closer to readers, so people won't feel they'd just be ripping off faceless corporations. A community approach is good marketing anyway. And good for literature and general enlightenment! Thanks. David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re social DRM: I&#8217;m delighted to see Bill and Tamas considering the technical details, and I hope they will continue, joined by others. My own theory, however, is that the social details may count even more. I think that publishers will have to reconcile themselves to a large amount of leakage and the need not to play Gestapo. At the same time, I think net earnings will be higher since traditional DRM, both in costs and lost sales, is such a heavy tax on e-bookdom. The key is to make books more of a community medium in a way that draws writers closer to readers, so people won&#8217;t feel they&#8217;d just be ripping off faceless corporations. A community approach is good marketing anyway. And good for literature and general enlightenment! Thanks. David</p>
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		<title>By: Tamas Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/24/social-drm-vs-traditional-mobipocket-style-drm-time-for-a-switch/#comment-505264</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamas Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bill 
&lt;i&gt;"treating everyone like a criminal until they prove they aren’t"&lt;/i&gt;

I don't think so. I think it's quite the opposite.
First, these audits would be quite unlikely to happen.
Think about it... you cannot "enforce" this for all the people who are readers.
Second, if for some reason there is an issue where you have to come clear it would be very easy for you to prove that your purchases are legit.

These certificates could be bundled into the ebook file - for example if it used the IDPF container format. It would be just another file in the zip.

I think you are right about the &lt;i&gt;"read and delete"&lt;/i&gt;... that's a challenge :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bill<br />
<i>&#8220;treating everyone like a criminal until they prove they aren’t&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so. I think it&#8217;s quite the opposite.<br />
First, these audits would be quite unlikely to happen.<br />
Think about it&#8230; you cannot &#8220;enforce&#8221; this for all the people who are readers.<br />
Second, if for some reason there is an issue where you have to come clear it would be very easy for you to prove that your purchases are legit.</p>
<p>These certificates could be bundled into the ebook file - for example if it used the IDPF container format. It would be just another file in the zip.</p>
<p>I think you are right about the <i>&#8220;read and delete&#8221;</i>&#8230; that&#8217;s a challenge <img src='http://www.teleread.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Monks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Monks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Tamas - kind of like shareware? You tried it out and now use it so now pay for it. The problem is once you try a book there's not much point in hanging onto it if the threat of an audit (I have visions of a Minority Report style future with people bursting through my front door because I've downloaded some Conan from Project Gutenberg Australia...) is significant. Download, read and delete would get around this because at worst you'd have only one or two ebooks on the go at any one time. 

And that's not even touching on my feelings about having my hard drive audited - I've been overdoing my posting on here today because we had a customer quality audit this morning and I decided to kickback this afternoon because it went so well - which is effectively treating everyone like a criminal until they prove they aren't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tamas - kind of like shareware? You tried it out and now use it so now pay for it. The problem is once you try a book there&#8217;s not much point in hanging onto it if the threat of an audit (I have visions of a Minority Report style future with people bursting through my front door because I&#8217;ve downloaded some Conan from Project Gutenberg Australia&#8230;) is significant. Download, read and delete would get around this because at worst you&#8217;d have only one or two ebooks on the go at any one time. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s not even touching on my feelings about having my hard drive audited - I&#8217;ve been overdoing my posting on here today because we had a customer quality audit this morning and I decided to kickback this afternoon because it went so well - which is effectively treating everyone like a criminal until they prove they aren&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamas Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/24/social-drm-vs-traditional-mobipocket-style-drm-time-for-a-switch/#comment-505214</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamas Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social DRM adds extra information to the ebook therefore it can always be removed while leaving the original information content intact .
The removal process can be tricky... but once somebody figures it out he can write a piece of software that makes it easy for others.

&lt;i&gt;"convenience of use"&lt;/i&gt; as you say can be the greates factor, especially if prices would drop to a point where it's just not worth your time to bother with searching for a "free" download.

One thing that could work technically - though I'm not sure it would help - is a &lt;b&gt;digital proof of purchase&lt;/b&gt;.
This would be a digital certificate - much like the ones used by banks for their secure websites - with a content certifying something like
"Reader Joe Average puchased Edition 1 of the book: My First Novel By X.Y"
Think about buying a physical book. You can pickit up in the bookstore but if you try to walk out the door the security guy may stop you and ask for the receipt (proof of purchase).
The question remains: In the case of ebooks where is this "door with the security guy" ?

It could be built into reading software or devices - which probably would not work on the long run.

People could be audited - at least in theory or by low enforcement.
So if a person downloads a lot of pirated ebooks and the RIAA of publishers finds out police can confiscate the hard drive and check for these certificates. If they're missing... the guys in trouble.

I think the solution is a non-disturbing combination of these technical tricks and more importantly a working incentive scheme.

The challenge of digital content is not to prevent the content from being spread or given to someone, it is to get that person to make a purchase &lt;b&gt;after&lt;/b&gt; he received the content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social DRM adds extra information to the ebook therefore it can always be removed while leaving the original information content intact .<br />
The removal process can be tricky&#8230; but once somebody figures it out he can write a piece of software that makes it easy for others.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;convenience of use&#8221;</i> as you say can be the greates factor, especially if prices would drop to a point where it&#8217;s just not worth your time to bother with searching for a &#8220;free&#8221; download.</p>
<p>One thing that could work technically - though I&#8217;m not sure it would help - is a <b>digital proof of purchase</b>.<br />
This would be a digital certificate - much like the ones used by banks for their secure websites - with a content certifying something like<br />
&#8220;Reader Joe Average puchased Edition 1 of the book: My First Novel By X.Y&#8221;<br />
Think about buying a physical book. You can pickit up in the bookstore but if you try to walk out the door the security guy may stop you and ask for the receipt (proof of purchase).<br />
The question remains: In the case of ebooks where is this &#8220;door with the security guy&#8221; ?</p>
<p>It could be built into reading software or devices - which probably would not work on the long run.</p>
<p>People could be audited - at least in theory or by low enforcement.<br />
So if a person downloads a lot of pirated ebooks and the RIAA of publishers finds out police can confiscate the hard drive and check for these certificates. If they&#8217;re missing&#8230; the guys in trouble.</p>
<p>I think the solution is a non-disturbing combination of these technical tricks and more importantly a working incentive scheme.</p>
<p>The challenge of digital content is not to prevent the content from being spread or given to someone, it is to get that person to make a purchase <b>after</b> he received the content.</p>
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