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	<title>Comments on: Asus Eee PC: A real computer for the frugal e-book fan on the go</title>
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		<title>By: Erfahrungsbericht: Asus eeePC</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/05/02/asus-eee-pc-for-the-frugal-e-book-fan-on-the-go/#comment-788084</link>
		<dc:creator>Erfahrungsbericht: Asus eeePC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 07:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] von TeleRead hat sich einen eeePC gekauft und teilt hier seine Erfahrungen mit (in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PilotBob</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/05/02/asus-eee-pc-for-the-frugal-e-book-fan-on-the-go/#comment-786892</link>
		<dc:creator>PilotBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious. When you were using Adbobe Reader, can you not choose Reflow from the veiw menu in order to have the text fit the screen? I know this is not perfect but for a document with only text it should work fine.

BOb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious. When you were using Adbobe Reader, can you not choose Reflow from the veiw menu in order to have the text fit the screen? I know this is not perfect but for a document with only text it should work fine.</p>
<p>BOb</p>
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		<title>By: ficbot</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/05/02/asus-eee-pc-for-the-frugal-e-book-fan-on-the-go/#comment-785661</link>
		<dc:creator>ficbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 01:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate, just so you know, I am a very careful consumer and don't make purchases like this lightly. I did spend a little on the Macbook, but that was because I had half  dozen other laptops in my time die on me and this time, I felt like I wanted a quality machine that wouldn't give me problems. I also know that Macs have a much better re-sale value than other laptops. All that factored into my decision.

As for the EEE, it fills a need for me and does it at a price I can live with. Had it been available a year ago, I may have bought a desktop mac instead of a laptop one, but one does the best they can with the information they have at the time :) I would not have paid more than what I did, and I do think that by the time the macbook dies, the price of EEE-type devices will be less. But for now, for what I have and what I need, it's a price I can live with considering that in the days before these types of sub-laptops were available, you'd be looking at 2k for anything under 5 pounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate, just so you know, I am a very careful consumer and don&#8217;t make purchases like this lightly. I did spend a little on the Macbook, but that was because I had half  dozen other laptops in my time die on me and this time, I felt like I wanted a quality machine that wouldn&#8217;t give me problems. I also know that Macs have a much better re-sale value than other laptops. All that factored into my decision.</p>
<p>As for the EEE, it fills a need for me and does it at a price I can live with. Had it been available a year ago, I may have bought a desktop mac instead of a laptop one, but one does the best they can with the information they have at the time <img src='http://www.teleread.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I would not have paid more than what I did, and I do think that by the time the macbook dies, the price of EEE-type devices will be less. But for now, for what I have and what I need, it&#8217;s a price I can live with considering that in the days before these types of sub-laptops were available, you&#8217;d be looking at 2k for anything under 5 pounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate the great</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/05/02/asus-eee-pc-for-the-frugal-e-book-fan-on-the-go/#comment-785097</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate the great</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 17:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, thank you for telling me about Ficbot.

In all honesty, it was more than a little hypocritical of me to criticize the economics of position considering that I have a *mumble* thousand dollars in *mumble* gadgets I could do without.

I like your idea about very cheap ebook readers, but there would be about 4 or 5 times as many gadgets to consider if you raised the limit to $100. There are at least a half dozen different ones on Ebay right now $50 to $100 range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, thank you for telling me about Ficbot.</p>
<p>In all honesty, it was more than a little hypocritical of me to criticize the economics of position considering that I have a *mumble* thousand dollars in *mumble* gadgets I could do without.</p>
<p>I like your idea about very cheap ebook readers, but there would be about 4 or 5 times as many gadgets to consider if you raised the limit to $100. There are at least a half dozen different ones on Ebay right now $50 to $100 range.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/05/02/asus-eee-pc-for-the-frugal-e-book-fan-on-the-go/#comment-784950</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 15:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate, just so you'll know, Ficbot hardly comes across as someone living on Easy Street. She's a teacher and babysitter who works hard for her bucks. When she complains about the added costs of DRM, eBabel, etc., her thoughts come straight from the gut. I'm grateful to have her as a contributor.

Just so folks will know, there's a difference between the tiny-screened HP you mentioned and Fictbot's new pride-and-joy---no 17-incher but certainly better than the &lt;a href="http://www.pdagold.com/hardware/detail.asp?d=7" rel="nofollow"&gt;HP 320LX&lt;/a&gt;, which lacks even a color display. 

Hey, keep commenting away if you'd like. Great to get diff perspectives and hear about a cheapie machine. 

In fact, I'll do a post in the main area on the blog asking people for the best e-reading solutions under $50 (used). Should be fun, and maybe we'll help out some budget-challenged surfers.

By the way, two years ago Snappy wrote up another interesting possibility, &lt;a href="http://www.teleread.org/blog/2006/03/29/a-poor-mans-e-reader-hp-jornada-720-handheldpc/" rel="nofollow"&gt;the HP Jornada 720 HandheldPC&lt;/a&gt;. 

Thanks,
David

&lt;em&gt;Addendum:&lt;/em&gt; Actually let's make that under $100.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate, just so you&#8217;ll know, Ficbot hardly comes across as someone living on Easy Street. She&#8217;s a teacher and babysitter who works hard for her bucks. When she complains about the added costs of DRM, eBabel, etc., her thoughts come straight from the gut. I&#8217;m grateful to have her as a contributor.</p>
<p>Just so folks will know, there&#8217;s a difference between the tiny-screened HP you mentioned and Fictbot&#8217;s new pride-and-joy&#8212;no 17-incher but certainly better than the <a href="http://www.pdagold.com/hardware/detail.asp?d=7" rel="nofollow">HP 320LX</a>, which lacks even a color display. </p>
<p>Hey, keep commenting away if you&#8217;d like. Great to get diff perspectives and hear about a cheapie machine. </p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;ll do a post in the main area on the blog asking people for the best e-reading solutions under $50 (used). Should be fun, and maybe we&#8217;ll help out some budget-challenged surfers.</p>
<p>By the way, two years ago Snappy wrote up another interesting possibility, <a href="http://www.teleread.org/blog/2006/03/29/a-poor-mans-e-reader-hp-jornada-720-handheldpc/" rel="nofollow">the HP Jornada 720 HandheldPC</a>. </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
David</p>
<p><em>Addendum:</em> Actually let&#8217;s make that under $100.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate the great</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/05/02/asus-eee-pc-for-the-frugal-e-book-fan-on-the-go/#comment-784887</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate the great</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 14:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah. I see we have different economic perspectives. I, like most people, cannot afford to put $2k into a secondary machine. I didn't spend that much on a primary computer.

I don't see that as a valid comparison. It would be like saying this $40k I spent on a second car is cheap because I didn't spend $500k on a Lamborghini.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah. I see we have different economic perspectives. I, like most people, cannot afford to put $2k into a secondary machine. I didn&#8217;t spend that much on a primary computer.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see that as a valid comparison. It would be like saying this $40k I spent on a second car is cheap because I didn&#8217;t spend $500k on a Lamborghini.</p>
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		<title>By: ficbot</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/05/02/asus-eee-pc-for-the-frugal-e-book-fan-on-the-go/#comment-784239</link>
		<dc:creator>ficbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 03:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compared to the $2000+ one typically pays for ultra-mobile laptops? Yes, $350 is quite cheap. But it is at the upper limit of what I would pay for a second machine. I think a commercially available $100 laptop is inevitable at some point. I think the market is screaming for one and it was very short-sighted of the OLPC people to so openly scorn a commercial version. I really needed an ultra-mobile (not for ebooks per se but for work and other purposes, my Macbook is not always convenient to lug around for a car-less person like me who has to carry everything with me) and have tried several gadgets over the years. The EEE is the closest yet to meeting all my needs and I will recoup about half my cost by selling off about three former gadgets it will be replacing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compared to the $2000+ one typically pays for ultra-mobile laptops? Yes, $350 is quite cheap. But it is at the upper limit of what I would pay for a second machine. I think a commercially available $100 laptop is inevitable at some point. I think the market is screaming for one and it was very short-sighted of the OLPC people to so openly scorn a commercial version. I really needed an ultra-mobile (not for ebooks per se but for work and other purposes, my Macbook is not always convenient to lug around for a car-less person like me who has to carry everything with me) and have tried several gadgets over the years. The EEE is the closest yet to meeting all my needs and I will recoup about half my cost by selling off about three former gadgets it will be replacing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate the great</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/05/02/asus-eee-pc-for-the-frugal-e-book-fan-on-the-go/#comment-783937</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate the great</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 22:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$350 is your idea of frugal? Can you buy me one, please?

If you want a really cheap ebook reader then go look at the HP 320LX. You can find it on Ebay. You can find it for less than $60 including shipping. I have one. It supports DRMed Mobipocket and Ereader, as well as PDF, HTML, RTF, TXT. Plus, it comes with pocket versions of Word, Excel, Access, Powerpoint.

Best of all it runs on 2 AA batteries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$350 is your idea of frugal? Can you buy me one, please?</p>
<p>If you want a really cheap ebook reader then go look at the HP 320LX. You can find it on Ebay. You can find it for less than $60 including shipping. I have one. It supports DRMed Mobipocket and Ereader, as well as PDF, HTML, RTF, TXT. Plus, it comes with pocket versions of Word, Excel, Access, Powerpoint.</p>
<p>Best of all it runs on 2 AA batteries.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/05/02/asus-eee-pc-for-the-frugal-e-book-fan-on-the-go/#comment-783319</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 13:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony re DRMed books on the Eee, you're right---exactly why I added a note about the XP version. Thanks for finishing up the thought. I'll probably do a separate item in the main part of the blog pointing to your post and McQ's. Thanks. David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony re DRMed books on the Eee, you&#8217;re right&#8212;exactly why I added a note about the XP version. Thanks for finishing up the thought. I&#8217;ll probably do a separate item in the main part of the blog pointing to your post and McQ&#8217;s. Thanks. David</p>
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		<title>By: McQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>McQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 13:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I managed to get eReader running under Wine on the Eee without much trouble. It seems to mess up the "bookshelf" part of the app when you have many books -- in my case, it would consistantly display only about 1/3 of them -- but reading individual books with it works fine. Unfortunately, a lot of screen realestate gets consumed by the pretty page formatting they use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I managed to get eReader running under Wine on the Eee without much trouble. It seems to mess up the &#8220;bookshelf&#8221; part of the app when you have many books &#8212; in my case, it would consistantly display only about 1/3 of them &#8212; but reading individual books with it works fine. Unfortunately, a lot of screen realestate gets consumed by the pretty page formatting they use.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Rabig</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/05/02/asus-eee-pc-for-the-frugal-e-book-fan-on-the-go/#comment-783256</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Rabig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 12:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asus has released a version of the EEE with XP loaded rather than Linux.  I'd think the XP version would handle the DRMd titles, the same as a desktop PC would.

Bests,

--tr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asus has released a version of the EEE with XP loaded rather than Linux.  I&#8217;d think the XP version would handle the DRMd titles, the same as a desktop PC would.</p>
<p>Bests,</p>
<p>&#8211;tr</p>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/05/02/asus-eee-pc-for-the-frugal-e-book-fan-on-the-go/#comment-782616</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 01:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>De: Big thanks. I'll check with Ficbot in case this is a model-by-model thing. I suspect not. But we'll make sure. Thanks again. David

Update: Ficbot says you're right. Thanks. Changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>De: Big thanks. I&#8217;ll check with Ficbot in case this is a model-by-model thing. I suspect not. But we&#8217;ll make sure. Thanks again. David</p>
<p>Update: Ficbot says you&#8217;re right. Thanks. Changed.</p>
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		<title>By: De</title>
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		<dc:creator>De</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 23:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction on the EEE PC - There are tab and shift keys on the left. And a shift on the right. The keyboard does take a little bit of typing to get used to, but it's not because those keys are missing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction on the EEE PC - There are tab and shift keys on the left. And a shift on the right. The keyboard does take a little bit of typing to get used to, but it&#8217;s not because those keys are missing.</p>
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		<title>By: ficbot</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/05/02/asus-eee-pc-for-the-frugal-e-book-fan-on-the-go/#comment-782418</link>
		<dc:creator>ficbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip, Alan!

Update: Some of my hacking crashed the whole thing last night. I reset it to the factory settings, then went to the eee user forum and followed every instruction, in order, on the 'newbies do this first' wiki page. I had been too late for it earlier, I had already started playing around and none of the stuff they suggest really worked. I don't regret the day or two I spent learning the ropes a little and I had all my files still on the memory disk I used to load them on, so I didn't lose much---and I wound up with a smoothly running system complete with a utility that lets me quite easily make things pretty after all :) So if you do get a Linux eee, I highly recommend that before you do anything else to it, you google eee user forum, go to their wiki and do everything it says in the newbie guide.

Update 2: EEE had its first session with my classes today. They loved it. Full participation on a brand new song on the first go, they remembered most of the words when I played it later without the slide show, and they just loved having something visual. Because the EEE  is so small compared to a conventional laptop, I was able to turn the EEE out to face them, yet still be able to see over the top and have access to the trackpad to advance the slides. Huge success! I even had a few of the other teachers poke their heads in after they heard what was going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip, Alan!</p>
<p>Update: Some of my hacking crashed the whole thing last night. I reset it to the factory settings, then went to the eee user forum and followed every instruction, in order, on the &#8216;newbies do this first&#8217; wiki page. I had been too late for it earlier, I had already started playing around and none of the stuff they suggest really worked. I don&#8217;t regret the day or two I spent learning the ropes a little and I had all my files still on the memory disk I used to load them on, so I didn&#8217;t lose much&#8212;and I wound up with a smoothly running system complete with a utility that lets me quite easily make things pretty after all <img src='http://www.teleread.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> So if you do get a Linux eee, I highly recommend that before you do anything else to it, you google eee user forum, go to their wiki and do everything it says in the newbie guide.</p>
<p>Update 2: EEE had its first session with my classes today. They loved it. Full participation on a brand new song on the first go, they remembered most of the words when I played it later without the slide show, and they just loved having something visual. Because the EEE  is so small compared to a conventional laptop, I was able to turn the EEE out to face them, yet still be able to see over the top and have access to the trackpad to advance the slides. Huge success! I even had a few of the other teachers poke their heads in after they heard what was going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wallcraft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Wallcraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know if the Eee has bound FBReader to the common ebook file types, but if so you can click on a .prc (say) file outside of FBReader and FBReader will be opened automatically on that file.

In general, plain text is the hardest content to display well.  For FBReader (or the Kindle) I usually recommend DRM-free MOBI/PRC files over "raw" Project Gutenberg downloads, e.g. from feedbooks, or MobileRead or manybooks.net.  However, FBReader can also read the Plucker files directly from Project Gutenberg. Also, if WiFi is connected, a local copy of the Kindle Download Guide from http://feedbooks.com/help/kindle can be read by FBReader to select and download content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if the Eee has bound FBReader to the common ebook file types, but if so you can click on a .prc (say) file outside of FBReader and FBReader will be opened automatically on that file.</p>
<p>In general, plain text is the hardest content to display well.  For FBReader (or the Kindle) I usually recommend DRM-free MOBI/PRC files over &#8220;raw&#8221; Project Gutenberg downloads, e.g. from feedbooks, or MobileRead or manybooks.net.  However, FBReader can also read the Plucker files directly from Project Gutenberg. Also, if WiFi is connected, a local copy of the Kindle Download Guide from <a href="http://feedbooks.com/help/kindle" rel="nofollow">http://feedbooks.com/help/kindle</a> can be read by FBReader to select and download content.</p>
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