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	<title>Comments on: Google&#8217;s privatization of knowledge: Do-no-evil company said to control almost 90 percent of digibook world</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David Rothman</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/07/11/beware-of-google-privatizing-knowledge-says-christian-science-monitor/#comment-848621</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, it's great you're around to provide another perspective. Remember my own disclaimer: I'm a very very small Google shareholder. All in the family, eh? I encourage you to speak up with your personal opinions as you did just then. 

My response would be that the libraries may well rely on Google exclusively as those paper copies decay. And how many libraries will arrange for digitization twice? There's also the related issue of contractual limitations. From Wikipedia---not the ultimate authority but a handy reference &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Book_Search#Opposition_and_perceived_shortcomings" rel="nofollow"&gt;in this case:&lt;/a&gt;

"Google licensing of public domain works is also an area of concern [38], Google apparently is claiming a restrictive 'No-Commercial use' term in respect of the PDF electronic versions it provides, as well as using digital watermarking techniques with them. Some articles that are in the public domain, such as all works created by the U.S. Federal government, are still treated like other works under copyright, and therefore locked after 1922.[39]."

That said, I love the idea of Google digitizing books if it can do it more efficiently than others and if it can improve accuracy. It's just that I want to see more companies in the game. And I'd like Google and others to be doing the work as contractors for libraries---so the works can go online without restrictions. What's more, if Google wants to do things independently, since I fear the power of D.C. and &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; private alternatives out there, that's fine. But have the library world entrust so much of its fate to Google? I indeed have problems. Google has stellar leadership, regardless of the criticisms I may make, but what happens if that changes?

Firsthand, I can speak of future risks from corporate Big Brothers. Publishers Weekly &lt;a href="http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/03/20/publishers-weekly-removing-e-book-report-and-holt-and-nudo-blog-archives-from-public-view/" rel="nofollow"&gt;wiped out tens of thousands of words I'd written in my PW E-Book Report blog&lt;/a&gt;, either for commercial reasons or because the editors &lt;a href="http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/07/04/just-for-sara-the-e-book-bathroom-test-redux-and-a-reminder-that-e-can-displace-p-and-grow-the-book-market/" rel="nofollow"&gt;felt uncomfortable with my enthusiasm for e-books&lt;/a&gt; or maybe because of corporate politics (PW also deleted the blogs of the former publisher and the woman who hired me).

I'd also point out that under the control of GE and the like, TV networks are not nearly as adventurous as when they were more independent.

See what I mean? Governments can censor, but so, in effect, can corporations---as I know first hand. What happens if Google in the future quietly deletes old data in a way that favors corporate interest? Undoubtedly you would say, "Impossible. Bad for credibility." Of course. But that didn't stop PW from doing an Orwell act on my blog archives.

Thanks, Nick, and keep commenting away (with both of us understanding you don't speak officially for Google)!

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, it&#8217;s great you&#8217;re around to provide another perspective. Remember my own disclaimer: I&#8217;m a very very small Google shareholder. All in the family, eh? I encourage you to speak up with your personal opinions as you did just then. </p>
<p>My response would be that the libraries may well rely on Google exclusively as those paper copies decay. And how many libraries will arrange for digitization twice? There&#8217;s also the related issue of contractual limitations. From Wikipedia&#8212;not the ultimate authority but a handy reference <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Book_Search#Opposition_and_perceived_shortcomings" rel="nofollow">in this case:</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Google licensing of public domain works is also an area of concern [38], Google apparently is claiming a restrictive &#8216;No-Commercial use&#8217; term in respect of the PDF electronic versions it provides, as well as using digital watermarking techniques with them. Some articles that are in the public domain, such as all works created by the U.S. Federal government, are still treated like other works under copyright, and therefore locked after 1922.[39].&#8221;</p>
<p>That said, I love the idea of Google digitizing books if it can do it more efficiently than others and if it can improve accuracy. It&#8217;s just that I want to see more companies in the game. And I&#8217;d like Google and others to be doing the work as contractors for libraries&#8212;so the works can go online without restrictions. What&#8217;s more, if Google wants to do things independently, since I fear the power of D.C. and <em>want</em> private alternatives out there, that&#8217;s fine. But have the library world entrust so much of its fate to Google? I indeed have problems. Google has stellar leadership, regardless of the criticisms I may make, but what happens if that changes?</p>
<p>Firsthand, I can speak of future risks from corporate Big Brothers. Publishers Weekly <a href="http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/03/20/publishers-weekly-removing-e-book-report-and-holt-and-nudo-blog-archives-from-public-view/" rel="nofollow">wiped out tens of thousands of words I&#8217;d written in my PW E-Book Report blog</a>, either for commercial reasons or because the editors <a href="http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/07/04/just-for-sara-the-e-book-bathroom-test-redux-and-a-reminder-that-e-can-displace-p-and-grow-the-book-market/" rel="nofollow">felt uncomfortable with my enthusiasm for e-books</a> or maybe because of corporate politics (PW also deleted the blogs of the former publisher and the woman who hired me).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also point out that under the control of GE and the like, TV networks are not nearly as adventurous as when they were more independent.</p>
<p>See what I mean? Governments can censor, but so, in effect, can corporations&#8212;as I know first hand. What happens if Google in the future quietly deletes old data in a way that favors corporate interest? Undoubtedly you would say, &#8220;Impossible. Bad for credibility.&#8221; Of course. But that didn&#8217;t stop PW from doing an Orwell act on my blog archives.</p>
<p>Thanks, Nick, and keep commenting away (with both of us understanding you don&#8217;t speak officially for Google)!</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/07/11/beware-of-google-privatizing-knowledge-says-christian-science-monitor/#comment-848578</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The concerns towards the end of the CSM article are completely spurious. While I agree that we don't want "one company in the position of being the filter for the world’s information", regardless of how good that company is, that's not what's happening here. Google scanning books simply adds one more source for that information (two, if you count the copy they give the partner library) - it doesn't prevent you from doing anything you already could do. More diversity would indeed be good, but some scanning is definitely better than none.

Disclaimer: I work for Google (though not on anything book related). The above opinions are my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concerns towards the end of the CSM article are completely spurious. While I agree that we don&#8217;t want &#8220;one company in the position of being the filter for the world’s information&#8221;, regardless of how good that company is, that&#8217;s not what&#8217;s happening here. Google scanning books simply adds one more source for that information (two, if you count the copy they give the partner library) - it doesn&#8217;t prevent you from doing anything you already could do. More diversity would indeed be good, but some scanning is definitely better than none.</p>
<p>Disclaimer: I work for Google (though not on anything book related). The above opinions are my own.</p>
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		<title>By: apsed &#124; Numérisation de 500 000 volumes à la bibliothèque municipale de Lyon</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/07/11/beware-of-google-privatizing-knowledge-says-christian-science-monitor/#comment-847733</link>
		<dc:creator>apsed &#124; Numérisation de 500 000 volumes à la bibliothèque municipale de Lyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] d&#8217;exemples, certes incontestablement délicats à traiter, suscite des remarques extrêmement critiques d&#8217;experts, comme par exemple Lotfi Belkhir, CEO de Kirtas Technologies : Google is doing a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] d&#8217;exemples, certes incontestablement délicats à traiter, suscite des remarques extrêmement critiques d&#8217;experts, comme par exemple Lotfi Belkhir, CEO de Kirtas Technologies : Google is doing a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: pond</title>
		<link>http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/07/11/beware-of-google-privatizing-knowledge-says-christian-science-monitor/#comment-847068</link>
		<dc:creator>pond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Governments should be doing this. Especially nationalistic governments concerned with preserving their written history.

After governments, all institutions of learning should be doing this. Especially institutions of higher learning. I notice that a university guy complains about this. Well, why isn't UVA doing something about it? Why are all those Universities co-operating with Google rather than organizing their own collaborative effort?

I think it's just wrong for somebody in such a position to stand on the sidelines and say, 'Let some private company take care of this,' and then complain later on, 'It's a private company doing this!'

Brewster Kahle on the other hand is a downright hero in ebook history. He has done plenty, and has a right to complain all he wants.

As far as the quality of Google's digitization, I have read that their methods were improved somewhere along the line. Rather than relying upon robots, they hired college students (in lieu of slaves) to turn the pages in between camera shots. I hope that's right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governments should be doing this. Especially nationalistic governments concerned with preserving their written history.</p>
<p>After governments, all institutions of learning should be doing this. Especially institutions of higher learning. I notice that a university guy complains about this. Well, why isn&#8217;t UVA doing something about it? Why are all those Universities co-operating with Google rather than organizing their own collaborative effort?</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s just wrong for somebody in such a position to stand on the sidelines and say, &#8216;Let some private company take care of this,&#8217; and then complain later on, &#8216;It&#8217;s a private company doing this!&#8217;</p>
<p>Brewster Kahle on the other hand is a downright hero in ebook history. He has done plenty, and has a right to complain all he wants.</p>
<p>As far as the quality of Google&#8217;s digitization, I have read that their methods were improved somewhere along the line. Rather than relying upon robots, they hired college students (in lieu of slaves) to turn the pages in between camera shots. I hope that&#8217;s right.</p>
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